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I'm doing some research with Scripps and need to install some equipment on their Whaler. I'd like to make a 3D model of the boat with Sketchup to help describe the install. To make this model I have to find top view, side view and stern view diagrams of the boat.
Scripps has very little info on their boat. I got photos of the boat and searched tons of web sites, and it looks like it's an Outrage 22... probably late 1980s vintage. I contacted Boston Whaler but they don't have drawings from that far back.
Does anyone know anyone that might have these diagrams (were they in original owner's manuals?), or where I might find them?
I searched through those manuals and got some of the info that I needed. But it lacks the top, side and front/rear views that I need for the hull shape. I'd like to get a few-inch accuracy in the hull and center console dimensions. The iso drawings look great, but don't provide enough info to make a model from. Some for sale ads give near side view photos so I'd tried to work from those. Of course, if the boat's in the water then I miss below waterline info. And if the boat's on a trailer then the trailer hides a bit also. I'm getting closer, but manufacturer drawings would be great.
I went through the same exercise for the scripps Parker boat and it turned out really well. Parker had a few drawings that were very helpful.
If I do get the Whaler model, I'll post it on the free Sketchup 3D warehouse for anyone that might want to use it for boat modification design.
Sorry to be cynical but are you telling me that Whaler threw away the drawings from 1980? I know you are repeating what they told you. Probably, they will not share for other [legal/copyright] reasons, which might give you a chance to obtain them for a fee and a release of liability letter to their liking. Good luck
Thanks mtown,
I hadn't thought of that. I suspected that they had drawings that were so old that they hadn't ever bothered to transfer them to digital format (too large, too faded, etc.). But, you make a good point; worth pursuing. I'll see if I can delve a little deeper with them.
Here is a bit of light on the original drawings of all the Classic Hulls done by Bob Dougherty....
Yes, Whaler / Reebok threw away ALL of the original drawings done by Bob Dougherty soon after they escorted him out of the building. Upon talking to Tom Johnson who worked for Bob and Bob Dougherty himself at the 2008 Miami Boatshow this was confirmed. A couple draftmen and designers pulled a few things out of the trash when no one was looking but, for the most part it was all lost.
The most interesting part I learned in these discussions Bob Dougherty himself would hand sketch all of his designs for the Whalers and then create the wooden measuring scales to fit the drawing. This way if the drawings were ever to get in the hands of a competitor they would need the scale that corresponded to that drawing to get the exact details from the drawing. There was only one hull ever designed that had two scales made for it, the first 21 Outrage. It had a scale for the side profile elevation and a different scale for the end profiles.
If you know architectural drafting or mechanical drafting this style is backwards to that. When doing drafting you need to already know all of the exact sizes of the given item so that the plans you are doing are exact and to a specified scale. By hand sketching an item free of scale you are able to create a true free form aesthetic for the item you are trying to design and back into the the exact details. This is a true sign Bob was more of and Industrial Designer than an engineer. I own one of the scales Bob Dougherty had made for his drawings. I wish I knew which hull it was for but there is no way to track this down. However, I know it is from Whaler as I bought it from Tom Johnson, husband of Janis from Magic Brush. Having gone to design school for Industrial Design (product and transportation focused), and always drawing whalers as a kid, this scale is the most prized Whaler items I own. Maybe more so than any hull I have had. I hope to take the scale to Miami in the coming year for the Boat show and have Bob look at it and see if there is any info he can give me on it's history. There is only one other known scale out there in circulation and it was owned my Tom W Clark. It is now in the hands of a new owner....who I know.
I have done a number of profile drawings of Whalers from images and have never found any engineering type drawings of the classic 22 in side profile.
It is may understanding the original forms created from the hand drawings were used and then new electronic drawings where done with measurements from the old molds. However there were a few details changed from the true classic designs. Most noticeable is the transom design which on the classics were a large radius from the edge of the gunwale to the transom cap where the later ones (Autocad designed) had a straight angle from the gunwale to the transom cap.
As an electrical engineer who has never owned a boat, you can imagine the holy crap moment that I had reading your post... very interesting. Why is that the things you think are going to be easiest end up being the hardest (and vice versa)!?
So, if there aren't drawings for this hull form, then it seems even more important to try to put together electronic docs for the public domain, to preserve this segment of naval architecture history.
But, I just processed that the parts manual shows the iso diagram of the boat. Doesn't that imply that there are probably side, top and bow/stern view drawings somewhere? Maybe not... maybe the iso drawings are just artist's renditions.
Another approach: is it possible that one of the 17',18',21',25' flavors can be stretched/shrunk to get to the 22' version (in terms of hull lines and console placement)?
