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| epflynn |
Posted on 05/09/10 - 8:17 PM
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hey guys trying to finish up the wood i stripped it down and sanded just curious as to what i can use to varnish without spending a fortune, something somewhat cheap but will do the job, my boat is a 1964 13 sport with the original mahogany wood, would minwax be ok, not looking to spend $100 for varnish @ west marine Thanks in advance, i'll post pics when i have everything done. also how much would i need to put a couple coats on. thanks
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| HarleyFXDL |
Posted on 05/10/10 - 6:08 AM
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I used this on my 9' and 13'.
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/...nish+V-975
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Posted on 05/10/10 - 7:41 AM
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Kevin. That's the same stuff I used when I rebuilt my steering console.
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| John Fyke |
Posted on 05/10/10 - 12:52 PM
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Epflynn, that would work but don't forget you get what you pay for. Multiple coats, at least 5 is what is called for. Sanding in between coats. Thin at least the first coat so it will soak into the wood. Will the boat be covered? That would help with the longevity of varnish.
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| Binkie |
Posted on 05/10/10 - 3:22 PM
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A qt. of varnish will do it. the difference between cheap exterior varnish at Home Depot and the good stuff may be $15. The good stuff brand is debatable. but I use Captains varnish. by Pettitt, about $27-35 per qt. Don`t buy mail order, shipping is expensive and unnecessary. Any Marine store has it. Stay away from West marine though.
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| epflynn |
Posted on 05/11/10 - 4:11 AM
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thanks alot guys. so basically stick with petit or something similar, and i assume that means stay away from west marine stuff, i was checking out there captains satan varnish but i guess thats not that good either. Thanks again for all the help
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Posted on 05/11/10 - 4:56 AM
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Epflyn, it's not the stuff at West marine isn't good, it's just to expensive there. Jamestown distributors provides the same products as West Marine but not as expensive.
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| John Fyke |
Posted on 05/11/10 - 5:39 AM
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I have used Jamestown distributors many times. Make sure you check the shipping. Sometimes it's not worth it to just buy one thing.
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| BwhalerBil |
Posted on 05/11/10 - 7:10 AM
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As an experiment I refinished my anchor hatch cover last spring with Minwax products. Sanded to bare wood finishing with 220 grit. Mineral spirit cleanded and stained with off the shelf minwax stain. Top coated with minwax spar varnish. Sanded and M/S washed between coats & tac-raged. First coat was thinned about 5% with following coats (8) about 1 - 2 % just to improve leveling in late spring air.(Michigan) Med to wet coat. After final coat let it age 5 days and placed into service. The boat is tarped (not water proof) when not in use and over the course of summer it did see plenty of water on my dock. Boat was stored in a unheated building over the winter and looks as good this spring as when completed a year ago.
Also have used this product on the new flooring I made for my Achilles and it is doing the job with some pretty rough service. I.E outdrive lube, grease. tools and rough shoe traffic.
Have not fully decided yet on longevity, but at this point it is holding up very well.
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| HarleyFXDL |
Posted on 05/11/10 - 7:46 AM
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Sorry for the hijacking, FYI about West Marine, I've purchased a few items at the local store and the Mgr stated they have a price match guarantee. I was told if you bring them any competitors price (if internet, they include shipping costs) they will match it. I picked up a Baystar hyd steering for the 13' for $450, tax included. They matched the lowest price I found online + the shipping.
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| ioptfm |
Posted on 05/11/10 - 8:24 AM
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I used Epifanes and applied 12 coats..........The main ingredient is lots of sanding, a tack cloth and thin coats. Make sure each coat is throrughly dried before sanding and applying the next
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| epflynn |
Posted on 05/11/10 - 1:56 PM
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thanks again for all the help guys. Het Tom did a quart give you 12 coats or did you need 2 quarts i am not going with 12 coats just don't have the time i figure between 6 and 8 should be ok
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| John Fyke |
Posted on 05/11/10 - 3:11 PM
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epflynn wrote:
thanks again for all the help guys. Het Tom did a quart give you 12 coats or did you need 2 quarts i am not going with 12 coats just don't have the time i figure between 6 and 8 should be ok
6-8 coats is fine.
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epflynn wrote:
thanks again for all the help guys. Het Tom did a quart give you 12 coats or did you need 2 quarts i am not going with 12 coats just don't have the time i figure between 6 and 8 should be ok
No doubt I did overkill................more than likely 4 or 5 will be plenty. 1 quart will easily do the job for you. I can't stress enough making sure each coat is absolutely dry prior to sanding and adding the next coat. Also, I think others will agree, that the higher the gloss, the more difficult it is to get a good even finish. I used a Matte finish which is a very low sheen and it still provides plenty of shine in my opinion
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I agree with Tom. 5 coats is about all you need to apply. I applied 5 coats on mine and have a fantastic deep shine. It turned out very nice.
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| SToomey006 |
Posted on 05/12/10 - 8:00 PM
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I used Epiphanes Captains vernish (7 coats) last season on my montauk's rps, anchor locker and console lockers etc. It has held up beautifully even with the excessive foot traffic and various fish slamming around w/ plugs in their mouth up on the anchor locker hatch.
The one thing I wanted to stress however is the importance of thinning your first coat w/ turpentine so that it absorbs into the wood, as well as on later coats. Under the advisement of an old salt who use to do the bright work on my parent's sailboat, I thinned the 1st coat 30%, followed by 20% 15% then 10% for the rest of the coats. I was specifically instructed to do so with the epiphanes captains varnish. I dont know about those ratios for other varnish products, however I can say with confience that with this combo, thinning it to this extent makes the varnish considerably easier to work with. The 3 things you must not do are 1) sand before the previous coat is completely dry, 2) apply the varnish too heavilly (per coat), and 3) overwork the varnish once you have applied it. (for the last two, having your varnish thinned in this manor makes it much easier to not overwork the varnish while still applying a nicely uniform thin coat.
-Sean
P.S. You'll be amazed how far 1qt will go, and given how much work it is, no sense in not doing it w/ the right stuff the 1st time as it will make for greater longevity and easier maintinece in the future.
Good luck! as laborsome as it can be, the final result makes it all worth while 
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| epflynn |
Posted on 05/13/10 - 7:08 AM
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thanks guys great help sorry i'm a novice @this what is the proper procedure for thinning the vanish do you basically just add thinner and varnish in a mixing cup and apply and is it easier to use foam brushes or a regular paint brush. thanks for all the help trying to get it back together so i can get my son on the water.
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| John Fyke |
Posted on 05/13/10 - 11:52 AM
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Foam brushes will work. Typically varnish is thinned with mineral spirits. Go by the manufactures recomendation on thinning.
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| sdespop |
Posted on 05/14/10 - 9:33 AM
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I apply with a foam roller then tip out with a foam brush. Fewer air bubbles & zero brush strokes. Last 3 (of 8) coats rubbed out with bronze wool. Flagship varnish costs $5-6 more than Captain's and provides better UV protection.
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| SToomey006 |
Posted on 05/14/10 - 9:40 AM
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I take it back, it was flagship varnish that I used. idk y captains was in my head.
i used foam brushes and just guestimated in a tupperware container for the proportions. youl have to stir it up until you get one uniform consistency. Just avoid stirring too quickly and getting a bunch of air bubbles in the varnish. Not the end of the world if it happens but its just alot easier during application if they arent there.
I like the roller idea I want to try that. you are using a foam roller correct?
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