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| kamie |
Posted on 09/03/09 - 5:25 AM
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Number9,
You correct, it does only apply to those boats with remote steering as evidenced by the fact Whaler assigned as HP of 20 to the 13 footers with tiller steering. The 13 footer calcs out at 55HP. All whalers have a transom height of 20 inches, you measure at the highest point, not the notch.
Rich, I believe the answer is yes
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| number9 |
Posted on 09/03/09 - 7:12 AM
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I would have do disagree with the statement "you measure at the highest point, not the notch"
The USCG's SAFETY STANDARDS FOR BACKYARD BOAT BUILDERS has a pretty good illustration. Then it took me a while to find the definition in the CFRs.
Subpart A—General
183.3 Definitions.
"Transom height means the vertical distance from the lowest point of water ingress along the top of the transom to a line representing a longitudinal extension of the centerline of the boat's bottom surface, excluding keels. This distance is measured as a projection on the centerline plane of the boat. See Figure 183.3." http://cclme.org/viewcontents/?f=1-33...CFR183.txt
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| kamie |
Posted on 09/03/09 - 8:48 AM
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Number9,
Since a 13 foot whaler has a 15 inch transom, which formula would you suggest? We know the classic 13s were rated at 40HP if they had remote steering. The only formula that comes close is the one above, all others give you HP much less than 40HP?
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| Binkie |
Posted on 09/03/09 - 9:18 AM
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Check this graph out from the Fiberglassics website. Does it give you the same reading?
http://www.fiberglassics.com/faq.aspom/faq.asp
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| Binkie |
Posted on 09/03/09 - 9:54 AM
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This thread is interesting to me as I am restoring this old runabout. It is 14 ft. long.
http://www.fiberglassics.com/seafury/...yba001.jpg
The boat in the picture is equipped with a 30hp. OMC. I intend to run a 75hp Chrysler on it.
Here is a picture of the boat. BTW this boat was built in Florida and I am in Florida.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c19...afury8.jpg
As of now the boat has no registration, no title and no state numbers. I explained this to MVD, and told them I bought the boat from a marine salvage yard, and the owner claims that he owned the boat for 19 years, and he bought the boat from the original owner who never registered it as it was uses on a private lake, of which there are many n Florida. They told me that the owner I bought the boat from needs to verify this on the bill of sale on the company's letterhead and notarize it, and they will give me a title. He has done this, but as of yet I have not tried to title and register this boat. OK, the root of the question, 'WHO WILL FIGURE THE HORSEPOWER RATINGS?
If I can`t register the boat, I will just run it at the AOMCI Meets as I do with my raceboat which is unregistered. That will be the primarily what the boat is used for anyway, but it would be nice to have a title and registration for resale.
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Posted on 09/03/09 - 10:05 AM
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Here is a picture of the transom of the Sea Fury, Where the motor mounts it is 15 " The highest point on the transom is pretty high if you used kamie's formula.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c19...ir/mr5.jpg
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| whalerman |
Posted on 09/03/09 - 1:17 PM
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Dang!! page TWO and 25 listing on this!!! Guess I'll have to back up and see whats been said.
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| number9 |
Posted on 09/03/09 - 1:49 PM
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kamie,
You did write,
"All whalers have a transom height of 20 inches, you measure at the highest point, not the notch." and then "Since a 13 foot whaler has a 15 inch transom"
After some research, the 13 Sport Sourpuss was the last Sport remote steering model available with a 15" transom and was last made in the mid 1970s.
Under current CFR the max hp rating would be 35hp for any 15" transom 13' Whaler with remote steering. You wrote, "We know the classic 13s were rated at 40HP if they had remote steering."
After even more reading apparently the early 15" transom height 13 Sports were rated by BW at 30hp not 40hp as you stated.
Bill...On the Ogeechee
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| whalerman |
Posted on 09/03/09 - 2:05 PM
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Dauntlas, you should be ok with it. Oh well, very interesting reading
THOM : 1999 Outrage 18, 2012 E-TEC 150, 2012 EZ Loader trailer |
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| kamie |
Posted on 09/03/09 - 4:46 PM
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Number9,
The 1971 Sport, sitting in my driveway has a 15 inch transom and a capacity plate that says 40HP.
Rich,
I think you figure the HP rating when you apply for the title.
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| sitkabrett |
Posted on 09/03/09 - 6:13 PM
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I guess in the end, that plate is only a recommendation. gotta love the loose laws of Alaska. what is the biggest motor you guys would put on a 20 outrage?
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 09/03/09 - 6:27 PM
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No more than the recommended max HP....
I think it was 180hp for the early 20 footers
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...album_id=8
and then 200hp for the later 20 foot models.
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...album_id=9
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| kamie |
Posted on 09/03/09 - 7:54 PM
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Rich,
You might take a read on the safety standards for backyard boat builders HERE
I am surprised the company didn't have HP ratings for the hulls?
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| sitkabrett |
Posted on 09/03/09 - 9:13 PM
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I just think that the manufacturer puts light ratings on their boats to cover their butts. in my opinion, the 20 and the 22 outrages should have bigger ratings. and the local shop has a screamin deal on a Suzuki 300!
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| number9 |
Posted on 09/03/09 - 11:55 PM
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Concerning the older 13 Sports with the 15" transom.
The Federal Boat Safety Act of 1971 apparently put the wheels in motion to require the max hp plates to be installed. Federal wheels tend to move rater slowly. Does anyone here know when the first plates actually started appearing on boats? Just because a boat has a plate, does that indicate it was originally sold with a plate or the plate is correct? They are down loadable here, easily reproduced and applied. One link I read today suggested the older 13 Whalers with 15" transom had a handicap in the resale market due to the lower max hp rating so there would be an incentive for some to alter or apply a plate.
And because dealing in factual information rather than hearsay is preferred in my world I did send a inquiry to BW for clarification.
Glad to see the link to the USCG Backyard Boat Builders since puts it in simple terms and provides illustrations to clarify such things as transom height.
Bill...On the Ogeechee
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Posted on 09/04/09 - 7:57 AM
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Received a quick response from BW.
"The maximum hp rating for the 13' Standard (tiller steered) is 20hp.
The 13' Sport (console steering) has a 40 hp max. rating.
Due to the shorter transom height, I would not recommend exceeding 175lbs max. for an engine weight."
In 1972, the transom height was raised to 20 inches from 15 inches, probably to comply with the new CFRs rather than dropping to the 35hp max. allowed by the formula for a 15" transom.
Bill...On the Ogeechee
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| dauntless-n-miami |
Posted on 09/04/09 - 9:08 AM
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WOW! we really got the waters churned up with this thread. Well in closing does the formula work in my favor or not guy's, 90H.P. 2 stroke on a Dauntless15? Thanks to all for the intersting links that were posted and a safe Labor Day holiday to all...
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| kamie |
Posted on 09/04/09 - 10:02 AM
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Dauntless,
either way it's illegal in FL to over power a boat. If you mind the rules of the road, you should not have any trouble, basically don't give the marine police any reason to notice your overpowered and enjoy the boat.
Please note, I am neither a lawyer, don't even play one on TV and I do not live in FL.
sitkabrett,
if you need the name of an agent that will insure your craft, PM me.
Number9,
So it looks like the application of the formula changed. would like to know the year since as far as I know all 15 inch transom Whalers carried a 40HP rating, even the Sourpuss which was built until the mid 70's. Transoms were raised for the Sport version somewhere around 72/73.
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| Tom W Clark |
Posted on 09/04/09 - 10:15 AM
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Kamie -- The 13 footer got the 20" transom in 1972, all models, even the Sourpuss. If a 13 footer is Desert Tan, it has a 20" transom.
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| CES |
Posted on 09/04/09 - 11:01 AM
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With my 1966 13' Whaler, I guess I'm overpowered too....as I am running a 40hp Yami outboard.
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