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| HarleyFXDL |
Posted on 07/02/09 - 3:43 PM
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I am sure the cavity and foam is saturated. Well at least I now have a project for the winter. I called FMT yesterday. The new tank will be $711 and $188 shipping. Should be a fun project.
Kevin
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| WhalerDan |
Posted on 07/02/09 - 5:13 PM
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I don't think the fuel tank cavity can hold more than a few gallons because the tank takes up most of the room. Raybo can get you a new tank with epoxy coat for $800. I don't know what the benefit of getting it from FMT is. What's with the roller trailer?
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| HarleyFXDL |
Posted on 07/02/09 - 7:44 PM
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WhalerDan wrote:
What's with the roller trailer?
I'm not sure Dan, Did you see something?
Kevin
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| Phil T |
Posted on 07/02/09 - 8:04 PM
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I think Dan is questioning a trailer with side rollers instead of bunks.
Historically, there has been a heated discussion over keel rollers with bunks; float on (all bunks) and roller trailers. The bone of contention is the point load on the hull should be the keel and there could be possible damage if a roller trailer is used.
It may better to start a separate thread to discuss trailer types.
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| HarleyFXDL |
Posted on 07/03/09 - 6:28 AM
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Gotcha Phil. Well, that is the trailer that came with the boat, had no choice. With all the water in the hull, the trailer is the least of my worries now.
I do have a question, the fuel line comes from a pick up in the stern end of the tank. The fuel lines runs through a tunnel that goes to the sump and up to the engine. This seems to me to be a terrible design. Any water in the sump can easily enter the tank area and foam when making any hard turns. What is supposed to stop water from entering this tunnel and filling up the hull? After some thought, I feel this is the entry point of all the water in my hull. Every time I lift up the deck plate, the access cover for the fuel tank is covered in water. The Viton gasket was shredded and therefore allowing water to easily enter the fuel tank.
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Kevin
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| HarleyFXDL |
Posted on 07/05/09 - 12:44 PM
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Took the boat out today on the 3 gal tank. Ran perfect and used the 3 gals in :45 mins. What a HUGH difference between the ride of an Outrage and a Montauk.
Kevin
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| Bub |
Posted on 07/08/09 - 6:09 AM
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I just got done removing my fuel tank in a 1984 18' outrage only to find the tank to be extremely corroded in spots but at first glance the tank looked pracitally ban new it was only after i removed it that i noticed the problem. . My intial concern was the fuel was not filling right the gas pump kept cutting off. when i pulled the deck lid i saw that the fill hose was collapsed and the rubber was falling apart so you may have more than one issue. good luck.
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| HarleyFXDL |
Posted on 07/08/09 - 7:54 AM
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I will guess that the tank might be corroded. From what I can see, the tank looks bad, can't imagine how it looks where I can't see! A local shop wants $150 to pressure test the tank. At this point, I feel I should replace the tank and hoses anyway. From what I am reading on this site, alot of people had to replace their tanks. I think I will sleep better at nights knowing I replaced, cleaned and properly re-sealed the whole fuel system. I did this on my Montauk, and had no more problems with engine reliability.
Kevin
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| scrimshaw |
Posted on 07/08/09 - 12:49 PM
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When I first saw your boat I checked my finances to see if another craft could join my fleet , but with the addition of the Nordic Tug it just wasn't time. Rarely do we stumble upon such finds ,gelcoat in factory condition,engine pampered with winter indoor storage and documented infrequent use ! Thus the predicament your in, a rarely used boat suffers from non-use.
This might be hard to comprehend but an idle boat suffers from sitting.
My boat sat for years (20) all the rubber/plastic was brittle,hoses ,wires ect. but I had a good "canvas".
You are in a good place...a good boat....one of the best I've ever seen!!
If I can be of any assistance let me know.
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| WhalerDan |
Posted on 07/08/09 - 3:10 PM
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Kevin, I think Raybo could help you meet your goals. There tank fabricator guy is quick. I agree, spending money to pressure test is most likely a waste. You can get the caulking to reseal from Sue at Twin Cities, or just you a light almond color.
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| HarleyFXDL |
Posted on 07/08/09 - 5:52 PM
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Jim I hear you loud and clear. There are many things good about the boat. At 24 yrs old, repairs are expected. It is a great boat worth the repairs.
Kevin
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| HarleyFXDL |
Posted on 07/08/09 - 5:59 PM
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Dan, the funny thing about paying someone to do the job is I would expect them to do a better job than I could do. I can't see PAYING to get a lesser quality job. I like to take my time, make sure everything is cleaned up nice and organize everything in the tunnel. Not sure Raybo, or anyone for that matter, would work to that standard.
Kevin
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| elmroc |
Posted on 07/09/09 - 7:32 AM
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Harley, as you know, i just replaced my Outrage 18 tank.
I went the route of paying to have it done becuase, 1) i didn't have the time to do it myself, and 2) Warranty on the work.
I can't warranty my own work without paying for it. If the job goes bad after a period of time, at least i have recourse
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| Phil T |
Posted on 07/09/09 - 9:37 AM
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With the wealth of posts on the task and Kevin's ability, I think a tank replacement is completely doable.
Given the high labor/service costs (i.e. pressure test for >$100) in southern NY, I think it is wise to DIY.
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| Eri |
Posted on 07/09/09 - 11:31 AM
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That sounds like an awful lot of water for that small area. Maybe it leaked in through the fuel fill. Maybe someone left that off over the winter. Do a tank pressure test. If it has that big of hole it will surely not hold any air. Block off the fuel fill and vent line. Then take an air hose and shoot some air in the fuel line to see if you can hear any air escaping. If there is that much water you should here some bubbling even from under the cover.
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| HarleyFXDL |
Posted on 07/09/09 - 5:29 PM
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Got a price quote today starting at $2200. Seems a little high.
Kevin
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| sraab928 |
Posted on 07/10/09 - 4:39 AM
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Kevin, you can do it yourself. The hardest part of the job is getting it out. The tank itself will run around $500 to $800 - (not sure of the size but I just had 3 tanks quoted at 4 different shops. 2 70 Gallon and 1 40 Gallon - my fuel tank cost will be around $2300-) The other issue may be the condition of your deck hatch. With that much water under there be sure to examine the underside of hatch real good.
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| HarleyFXDL |
Posted on 07/10/09 - 5:19 AM
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Scott, I WILL be doing the job myself. Times are tough now and boating is a luxury, not a necessity. Charging top dollar in this market is a sure fire way of going out of business. I would have paid a reasonable price due to lack of time I have in the summer. In the winter, I don't do as much overtime. I will use the portable tanks to salvage the season. Thanks to all for all your help.
Kevin
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| Narragansett Outrage |
Posted on 07/10/09 - 6:13 AM
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Kevin,
My boat has a different layout from yours (have a 1984 22' Outrage with Cuddy), but as you know I did just go through the entire process of replacing the tank.
If there are any questions you have, I'll do my best to answer them. I also have photos of the process (where you'll notice that I have to work outdoors, in between looking after my two young boys).
http://s72.photobucket.com/albums/i199/oscarboscar/1984%20Boston%20Whaler%20Outrage/
As I said before, I did not foam-in my new tank; I shimmed it in with King Starboard (1/4" on the bottom and 3/4" on the sides), and installed a brass drain tube from the fuel cavity to the livewell (and again, not sure if you have the kind of set-up where you could do something like that).
With regards to the cost... look, I don't mind telling you that this is a major project, so that price is probably not out of line. However, the thing about doing it yourself is that as you go along, you'll definitely see other things that you want to do (hoses, wiring, clamps, etc, etc). If someone else is doing the project, they'll either keep upping the cost (naturally), or they'll just turn a blind eye. So yes, if you have the ability, do it yourself.
Clive
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| Eri |
Posted on 07/10/09 - 7:45 AM
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Harley,
If you have any kind of mechanical abilities this is a doable job. You can look at my pics to see what you are getting into. As neglected as my boat seems to have been the tank was spotless inside and only minor corrosion on the outside. You will need a sawzall to cut the foam around the tank which is probably the hardest part. The tank cover is very heavy, maybe 150 to 200 pounds. If it is like mine was you may want to do some repairs to that as well. I just replaced mine with wood. Feel free to contact me with any questions. Fortunately I had a body shop to work out of so it made things a little easier. I would recommend refoaming in place with some Greatstuff. There are rubber strips under the tank to leave a gap in there. If you have an air compressor pressure test yourself. Not hard. Good luck.
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