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Banana Hulls and trim tabs.
ritzyrags	#1  Posted on 09/02/08 - 4:01 PM
Member Project Albums Posts: 1003 Comments: 36 Joined: 06/18/08	Since that I am the proud owner of an Outrage 19'4" Classic 1975 It has come to my mind to install trim tabs on the stern section of this Classic. Now, I have heard that from the shape of it's stern section; That the 21 has no need for trim tabs.. Would the trim tabs be an asset for the 19 for stability and balance? Edited by ritzyrags on 07/18/09 - 11:15 AM Dont lie Dont Cheat And dont give up..
Finnegan	#2  Posted on 09/02/08 - 4:20 PM
Member Posts: 1926 Comments: 16 Joined: 05/02/08	The 19' Outrage/Revenge hull of the '70's is probably the most fuel efficient and easy to plane of any Outrage hull Whaler ever designed. Trim tabs would be a waste of money and not needed.
Jeff	#3  Posted on 09/02/08 - 5:50 PM
Member Posts: 1987 Comments: 34 Joined: 04/02/05	Serge, While Larry is correct about these hulls being able to easily plane and with little effort however, after installing tabs on my 22 Outrage I would highly recommend them. While it was great to get the boat up on plane and stay there at only 8-9 mph I will say I found them must helpful in adjusting the trim of the hull for the sea conditions. The boat was a completely different boat in all condition after the tabs were added. If you are looking for a set I HIGHLY recommend getting Lencos. They are the easiest to install and more much more effectively than the Bennetts. Edited by Jeff on 09/02/08 - 5:52 PM 1993 23' Walkaround Whaler Drive
scrimshaw	#4  Posted on 09/04/08 - 5:38 PM
Member Posts: 437 Comments: 0 Joined: 09/09/07	Here's 8 Mph,on plane ! In the 460 hours I've thusfar operated my Banana hull the thought of trim tabs has never entered my mind. scrimshaw attached the following image: [95.36Kb]
scrimshaw	#5  Posted on 09/04/08 - 5:48 PM
Member Posts: 437 Comments: 0 Joined: 09/09/07	Nope ! Don't need em at 55 Mph either ! Serge, your hull is alittle different but not much,I would expect your hull to preform much like mine. scrimshaw attached the following image: [49.91Kb] Edited by scrimshaw on 09/04/08 - 5:57 PM
Jeff	#6  Posted on 09/04/08 - 6:07 PM
Member Posts: 1987 Comments: 34 Joined: 04/02/05	Jim, I did not think I needed them either however, my father bought a set for me on my birthday so I figured way not. After having them I could not imagine operating the boat without them. Agreed that these old shallow deadrise hulls can plane at much lower speeds than the large Outrages (my 22 was 14 - 16mph min) however, I found the tabs most useful in rough sea conditions. Being able to adjust the attitude of the hull made for a calmer ride. Edited by Jeff on 09/05/08 - 8:03 AM 1993 23' Walkaround Whaler Drive
sraab928	#7  Posted on 09/05/08 - 4:21 AM
Member Project Albums Posts: 1282 Comments: 13 Joined: 12/27/05	I happen to prefer them to compensate for the boat "leaning" due to weight, wind or whatever. I never really used them to achieve low speed planing. As far as my 19 - I am considering adding them as part of the restoration. I will have twin power and it will not be counter rotating due to lack of availability in lower HP motors - I think they will help to keep the boat from "leaning" (sorry I do not know the proper term for that). Scott 1974 21' Revenge w Mercury 200 ProXS V8
Blue_Northern	#8  Posted on 09/05/08 - 6:52 AM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 532 Comments: 5 Joined: 09/04/07	You know I really never considered trim tabs till I rode in a friends PathFinder. We were getting skinny and he cranked those things down and jacked the motor up -- we where just sliding across the water. I had never seen a 22 footer with a deep V get that shallow. Very cool. I also think it makes a lot of sense to be able to pitch the boat for different situations. I am still up in the air on whether to put them on my new restore but leaning in that direction. Rob 1973 Outrage/Lo-Pro Conversion
sraab928	#9  Posted on 09/05/08 - 11:33 AM
Member Project Albums Posts: 1282 Comments: 13 Joined: 12/27/05	I was thinking of the trolling tabs- They are trim tabs with trolling motors attached... Pretty cool... but pricey. Scott 1974 21' Revenge w Mercury 200 ProXS V8
Blue_Northern	#10  Posted on 09/05/08 - 12:49 PM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 532 Comments: 5 Joined: 09/04/07	Scott - I have seen those and they are to large for my taste. I also talked to a dealer in Houston who said they were a bit tough to operate. Rob 1973 Outrage/Lo-Pro Conversion
sraab928	#11  Posted on 09/05/08 - 3:46 PM
Member Project Albums Posts: 1282 Comments: 13 Joined: 12/27/05	Good to know - I have never seen them in person but thought the concept was cool. Thanks for the heads up Rob! Scott 1974 21' Revenge w Mercury 200 ProXS V8
arthureld	#12  Posted on 07/04/09 - 5:46 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 735 Comments: 7 Joined: 02/15/07	I can't stay on plane below 20 mph with my v20. I'd love to be able to stay on plane at 10 mph. Edited by arthureld on 07/04/09 - 5:48 AM
HarleyFXDL	#13  Posted on 07/04/09 - 6:56 AM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 917 Comments: 30 Joined: 07/24/07	scrimshaw wrote: Nope ! Don't need em at 55 Mph either ! Serge, your hull is alittle different but not much,I would expect your hull to preform much like mine. Jim, you get 55 mph out of your boat? Kevin 1988 11' Super Sport, 1987 Johnson 15hp. If you think education is expensive, try ignorance "Vegetarian - old Indian word for bad fisherman."
ritzyrags	#14  Posted on 07/17/09 - 4:29 PM
Member Project Albums Posts: 1003 Comments: 36 Joined: 06/18/08	Yes Jim; What is your "clocked" max speed on your hull combination/150 Merc??? Dont lie Dont Cheat And dont give up..
scrimshaw	#15  Posted on 07/17/09 - 8:25 PM
Member Posts: 437 Comments: 0 Joined: 09/09/07	Serge,54.7MPH per GPS. 21P Laser ll way up high on a jack plate spinning at 5600 RPM.
Joe Kriz	#16  Posted on 07/17/09 - 8:57 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11434 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	ritzyrages, Why is the first and most important post which was the start of this thread "Deleted" ??? Would this entire thread be better off being deleted? Or does it have a purpose to the original poster that the rest of us know nothing about? Please advise. I assume your first post had a question in it? Something related to trim tabs on Banana boats? Was your question answered? "Time Flies like an Arrow, Fruit Flies like Bananas." (Groucho Marx)
ritzyrags	#17  Posted on 07/17/09 - 10:55 PM
Member Project Albums Posts: 1003 Comments: 36 Joined: 06/18/08	The question was; Since that I am the proud owner of an Outrage 19'4" Classic 1975 It has come to my mind to install trim tabs on the stern section of this Classic. Now, I have heard that from the shape of it's stern section; That the 21 has no need for trim tabs.. Would the trim tabs be an asset for the 19 for stability and balance? You are the custodian of this site Joe; On the positive side; I thank you for asking my opinion about the course of action that I would like to see being taken. And this,due to this lack of a leading question. To delete the whole thread might be a bit of an overkill. May I suggest to copy and paste my question to the top to make it relevant again? I have enjoyed your honesty and your politeness Joe. Good to have your input on one of my thread again. As always you are always welcome... PS- There is no E at the end of ritzyrags. Edited by ritzyrags on 12/28/09 - 1:20 PM Dont lie Dont Cheat And dont give up..
arthureld	#18  Posted on 07/18/09 - 5:12 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 735 Comments: 7 Joined: 02/15/07	lol Serge, There is a little edit button at the bottom of your posts in case you would like to fix it yourself.
ritzyrags	#19  Posted on 07/18/09 - 11:13 AM
Member Project Albums Posts: 1003 Comments: 36 Joined: 06/18/08	Gee! Thanks.. I feel a bit out of sort. I haven't played on this site for a while since being worried to make mistakes with the posting of photos and suches. You have my sincere apologies. I will try to repair this. Dont lie Dont Cheat And dont give up..
Joe Kriz	#20  Posted on 07/18/09 - 1:31 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11434 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Very good then. Now we know what your original question was. The original question was edited by you as you well saw. We don't delete text unless it is inappropriate. The edit button in the forums has been turned on since we started this site. We thought it would make things easier for the member to be allowed to edit their own post(s) for typos or other types of errors or additions. This is based on the honor system. Generally, when a member deletes their original post, we delete the thread. That seems to be only logical. If members don't want the "Edit" button feature, we can surely turn this feature off. Let us know. As far as photos in the forums or on this site in general,we have simplified things. No photos in the forum area... We have created several new areas for photos to be used by members including their; Members Personal Pages Members Photo Albums Members Project Albums Whaler Model Specifications All photo areas have a particular and specified use as we can see from the titles. None of the admins here can see everything. Some things might get by us in the beginning but eventually will be noticed and handled to the best intentions for this site. Hopefully this thread can get back on track or at least be answered and provide members in the future some insight for trim tabs on a banana.