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| Stovebolt |
Posted on 10/07/21 - 5:35 PM
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Looking at a 1976 Outrage V-20 with these ripples in the hull. Both sides. Seller claims it came from the factory like this (removed from the mold before it fully cured). I find this hard to believe, given Whaler's (or anyone's ...) quality control ...
Hull is not soft in these areas ... no obvious signs of hull trauma ... What could this be? A deal breaker?
Any insight appreciated.
John
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Posted on 10/08/21 - 7:19 AM
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I saw similar ripples on a V-20 I considered purchasing from Legendary Marine in Destin, FL a few years ago. I asked the same question as yours in the Boston Whaler on-line community and no one reported similar issues. I didn't buy the boat.
There are many Whalers for sale without ripples available for purchase. You should be able to find a nice one in Maryland.
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| acassidy |
Posted on 10/09/21 - 1:56 PM
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Those are way bigger than normal wavy ripples I have seen on whaler. Looks like damage to me
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| Phil T |
Posted on 10/09/21 - 3:49 PM
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Based on the photo, it appears to be the "wavy sides" problem that occured on some hulls due to inproper curing of the resin.
It is a cosmetic issue. Leave it alone.
Edited by Phil T on 10/09/21 - 3:51 PM
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Posted on 10/29/21 - 2:58 AM
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Butch -- Yeah .... but this one is here in my neighborhood. I know the owner (used to work for her until I retired).
As for damage -- Again, knowing the owner and considering the overall condition of the boat (she is in very good overall condition and recently repowered with a 150 Merc), I don't subscribe to the damage theory and tend to agree with Phil et al that it is actually as they claim. Whaler really let these boats get completed and sold??
Phil -- Please clarify your last statement -- leave what alone -- the issue (as in ignore it) or walk away from the boat? For the rest of the boat and the asking price, I can live with a cosmetic issue.
Thanks,
John
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Posted on 10/29/21 - 6:59 AM
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Sorry for the short shriff.
The wavy sides are cosmetic.
Are the waves identical on both sides?
I would not dismiss the boat for this issue.
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Posted on 10/29/21 - 7:33 AM
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I defer to Phil's comments.
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Posted on 10/29/21 - 7:36 AM
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uh oh.
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Posted on 10/29/21 - 4:01 PM
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Let's clear up some of the details about the Boston Whaler Outrage V-20 hull. The V-20 was introduced in 1978. While hull puckering is a common occurence on some of the big hulls, the image shows an extreme case. The hull would have never left the factory in that condition. The hull would have been returned to the factory if the owner or dealer informed BW Rockland of the condition. Hull puckering is a benign cosmetic condition. The factory would have tried to fix the condition or destroyed it and a new hull would have been conveyed to the owner. Please present more photographs of the entire boat so we can judge overall condition.
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Posted on 10/30/21 - 7:30 AM
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I should have been clear, I agree with Phil.
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Posted on 10/31/21 - 6:47 AM
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Thanks Gents. More pics coming right up.
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Posted on 10/31/21 - 7:03 AM
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Here are pics.
Again, Thanks for input!
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Posted on 10/31/21 - 7:04 AM
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And another ... Is there a way to do more than one image at a time?
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Posted on 10/31/21 - 7:06 AM
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Yet another ... The engine is currently being serviced. I will get to take the boat out when it returns from the shop.
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Posted on 10/31/21 - 7:14 AM
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Last one. Aside from the hull puckering, the boat is in much better condition overall than my Sakonnet was when I got it.
To answer the question about the puckering on both sides ... it is similar but not identical. One side appears less puckered than the other. From 20 feet away, you don't even notice it. The first time I walked up to check out the boat, I had to have it pointed out to me by the owner...
On my Sakonnet, I had transom delamination issues, a dead engine, completely neglected woodwork, loose railings and a missing casting platform to deal with. The hull puckering is the only issue that readily presents upon a cursory inspection.
Not sure what year the engine is. Not really up on my Mercs (My parents were Johnson/OMC dealers ...)
Input is much appreciated.
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Posted on 10/31/21 - 9:11 AM
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Thanks for the photos.
From my view this boat is a bit of a mess.
Not sure why the bow locker covers have been replaced. Not a good sign.
The cuts in the bow area are very disheartening. I presume there were loose rail bases and in their uninformed opinion they decided to through bolt, hence dig out the foam etc etc. I would inspect and plot out repairing this mistake.
The trailer is wrong and needs to be converted to a bunk/keel roller setup.
Given these three items I would look over everything with a sceptical eye. Drains, under deck spaces, wiring, rubrail, keel.
Edited by Phil T on 10/31/21 - 9:12 AM
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Posted on 10/31/21 - 2:07 PM
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Substantial hull ripples, missing brass through hull on transom. Looks rough. How does the bottom look? Have you tapped the sides and transom to look for voids? I would tap the side area to make sure there is foam behind it. Definitely looks like hull ripples but extreme hull ripples. Archie
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Posted on 11/11/21 - 6:31 PM
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Subsequent look revealed:
3 through-hulls in engine well appear sound (based on my experience with having to replace all of the through hulls on my Sakonnet)
Hull sides passed a tap test -- no apparent voids or soft spots (I am familiar with rotorcraft composite rotor blade "quarter tests" ... )
There is no garboard drain through hull ... is there supposed to be one on the V20 or is the lack of one standard?
The rest of the boat is better than my previous pics.
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Posted on 11/12/21 - 7:13 AM
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Wow, that's wavy.
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