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Question about the re power of a 1989 20' Outrage
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| wspmatt |
Posted on 07/10/16 - 1:36 PM
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WHAT WOULD YOU KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE RECOMMEND FOR MY 20' 1989 OUTRAGE...I CURRENTLY HAVE A YAMAHA 2 STROKE 175...IT SEEMS TO BE PLENTY OF MOTOR....I HAVE THE 80 GAL FUEL TANK...I ALSO HAVE THE AUTO TRIM TABS INSTALLED ON THE REAR
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WOULD A NEW 4 STROKE 150 BE ENOUGH POWER
ALSO I WOULD LIKE INFO ON PROPER MOUNTING HEIGHT OF THE MOTOR
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 07/10/16 - 2:11 PM
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Yamaha 200 In-Line 4
http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...cle_id=110
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| wspmatt |
Posted on 07/10/16 - 2:25 PM
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THANK YOU JOE...ONCE AGAIN THIS SITE IS INCREDIBLE FOR RECEIVING GOOD INFO!!
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 07/10/16 - 2:32 PM
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No problem.
Where is your current motor mounted now using this chart?
http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...cle_id=106
I don't remember where mine was mounted on my 1989 Outrage 20'.
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| wspmatt |
Posted on 07/10/16 - 2:40 PM
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JOE I WILL FIND OUT.( I HAVE BEEN TOLD IT IS MOUNTED TOO HIGH)...IT IS AT MY REPAIR GUYS SHOP...I JUST HAD ALL THE TEAK REPLACED, TRIM TABS, BATTERY SWITCHES, LED STRIP LIGTHING AND SOME OTHER THINGS DONE...I WILL BE POSTING BEFORE AND AFTER PICS PRETTY SOON
THIS SITE IS SO HELPFUL
THANKS AGAIN
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 07/10/16 - 2:53 PM
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I looked at some older photos of mine and it looks like mine was mounted 1 hole up.
Don't let anyone mount your engine too low.
1 or 2 holes up usually works good for many Classics.
I am in the process of gathering more info on mounting height by just using the bolt holes on different Classic models from 16/17' to 25' models.
Looking forward to seeing your photos.
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| Sjoconnor |
Posted on 07/10/16 - 6:28 PM
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I could not be happier with my Mercury 150 four stroke. Awesome engine. Great performance.
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| wspmatt |
Posted on 07/10/16 - 6:32 PM
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Sjoconnor wrote:
I could not be happier with my Mercury 150 four stroke. Awesome engine. Great performance.
Stephen.
so that 150 gives you plenty of power?....the guide is recommending a 200
i never have more than 3 or 4 people on the boat
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| Marko888 |
Posted on 07/10/16 - 9:34 PM
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The Classic Outrages were designed in an era where most engines were much lighter than the engines of today. The 2nd gen Outrage 20 is considered more weight sensitive than the 22 because, relatively speaking, the fuel tank is further aft. With this in mind, lighter is better, but for sure no smaller than 150hp.
There are lots of good engine choices. Any one of the sub 500 pound 150-200hp engines would work well on your boat. It is wise to choose the brand that has the best dealer support in your area.
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| Sjoconnor |
Posted on 07/11/16 - 10:03 AM
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wspmatt wrote:
Sjoconnor wrote:
I could not be happier with my Mercury 150 four stroke. Awesome engine. Great performance.
Stephen.
so that 150 gives you plenty of power?....the guide is recommending a 200
i never have more than 3 or 4 people on the boat
I replaced the original Yamaha 150 2 stroke with this mercury. Do some research but the Merc 150 4 stroke is a big bore engine that is very powerful. I bought the Mercmonitor Eco gauge which among other things tells you where to trim etc for each power setting for best economy etc. I very often have 6 adults on board running up the coast to dinner etc and we cruise along at 28-30knots without even straining the motor. I couldn't be happier.
My suggestion is to really consider the weight of the replacements motor. I usually have at least 50 gallons in the tank and I would not want any additional engine weight hanging off the back. My battery is now in the console too btw.
Stephen.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 07/11/16 - 11:38 AM
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Here are a few reasons why I recommended the F200 In-Line 4 for you.
1. You already have Yamaha controls so you save money here.
2. The weight of the 150 Yamaha is identical to the 200 Yamaha so no saving there. (489 pounds each)
3. Having less HP does not save fuel but can create more wear and tear on a smaller motor by over working it and may not last as long.
4. The boat has a max hp rating of 200 and many people like to put the max hp on any given model.
http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...ticle_id=6
5. Even though you may not need the hp, it is there for when you might need it for extra passengers, extra gear, or outracing a storm, etc.
6. I have not heard of anyone complaining that they had too much power. (if they followed the max hp shown from Boston Whaler specifications)
The new Mercury 150hp (about 480 pounds) almost weighs the same as the Yamaha 200 (489 pounds) so no real savings there either.
So the rest is up to the individual and what they want to spend and what they might be satisfied with.
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| Acseatsri |
Posted on 07/11/16 - 4:05 PM
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I wouldn't overlook the Honda BF150 at 485 pounds either. Honda fuel efficiency is phenomenal and the engine is very quiet and smooth. You also may find that it's less expensive than the Yamaha or Mercury. They're used on most Coast Guard and police boats. Before I purchased my 250, I had the opportunity to speak with some members of the Coast Guard and how they beat on them in excess of 4000 hours with no problems.
Also, they're NMEA 2000 compliant with no expensive ($200) add-on gateways like the Yamaha, which my friend just had the pleasure of purchasing for his new F200. I have mine tied into my GPS display and don't even look at the gages any more.
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| Sjoconnor |
Posted on 07/12/16 - 8:50 AM
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When I did my research on repowering my 20' outrage which I have owned since day 1 , I looked at price, weight, feedback and dealer network.
I test drove a boat with the 150 Mercury 4stroke and was impressed. I didn't care that I had to replace controls etc because if I'm going to drop 12k+, I'm not going to use old controls or cables. I also replaced all the fuel lines, battery setup, interior lighting and stereo system. The Mercmonitor Eco gauge was the only hesitation I had but am very happy with it.
The weight of the Mercury 150 four stroke is listed at 455 plus 15lbs for the 25" shaft. So that's 470. The Yamaha is listed at 489 but that's the 20" shaft. They don't list the weight of the 25" that I can find. So, I'll guess the same as Mercury putting the Yamaha f200 at 504lbs? I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong which is fine.
I have the Nmea 2000 network which like the above post allows engine parameters to display on my chart plotter if I want. Overall, I'm happy with my choice.
So, as Joe pointed out, you have many options and things to consider. Good luck. If you want to chat about anything, shot me a message and I'll give you my number to chat.
Great boat BTW.
Stephen.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 07/12/16 - 12:20 PM
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My typo in adding the Mercury.
455+15= 480 pounds
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| JRP |
Posted on 07/12/16 - 2:45 PM
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Gents, not to nitpick, but Mercury lists the dry weight of their 25" shaft 150 Fourstroke engine as 465 lbs.
Yamaha lists the dry weight of the 25" shaft of their VF150 (VMax SHO) at 489 lbs, and the 25" shaft of their standard F150 at 491 lbs. (The VMax SHO version has a bit more displacement.)
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Where do you get your info.
Why don't you post any links to your findings?
We are not talking about the Yamaha VF series if you would look at the link I show above.
Anyone posting info here please give us a link to back up their findings.
Otherwise none of us can verify anything they say.
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Looks like Mercury is just now changing some weights and info.
The Mercury 4 Stroke 150 shows a weight for 455 pounds for the 20 inch shaft motor.
No weight for the 25 inch shaft model which they never have done in the past anyway.
https://www.mercurymarine.com/en/us/e...ifications
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| JRP |
Posted on 07/12/16 - 3:46 PM
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The weight for the Mercury 150 Fourstroke 25" shaft is in the engine brochure on Mercury's website. Click on the "Brochure" link at the bottom of this page:
https://www.mercurymarine.com/en/us/e...ifications
If anyone has difficulty navigating to that brochure, here is a direct link to the brochure:
https://mercurymarine-gsdesign1.netdn...ochure.pdf
I didn't see where the original poster specified any given Yamaha model other than what he has already. I posted the weight info for the Yamaha 150 25" shafts because I could not seem to find Yamaha's weight spec for the 25" shaft version of their F200. Given they are the same displacement, the weight of the F200 should be the same or very close to the F150 weight.
EDIT: But looking again, I see the F200 is actually a bit heavier (+7 lbs) in the 20" version than the F150, so likely a bit heavier in 25" shaft as well. The F200 has more displacement as well. That is a lot of extra power for very little weight gain.
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| wspmatt |
Posted on 07/12/16 - 7:49 PM
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Sjoconnor wrote:
When I did my research on repowering my 20' outrage which I have owned since day 1 , I looked at price, weight, feedback and dealer network.
I test drove a boat with the 150 Mercury 4stroke and was impressed. I didn't care that I had to replace controls etc because if I'm going to drop 12k+, I'm not going to use old controls or cables. I also replaced all the fuel lines, battery setup, interior lighting and stereo system. The Mercmonitor Eco gauge was the only hesitation I had but am very happy with it.
The weight of the Mercury 150 four stroke is listed at 455 plus 15lbs for the 25" shaft. So that's 470. The Yamaha is listed at 489 but that's the 20" shaft. They don't list the weight of the 25" that I can find. So, I'll guess the same as Mercury putting the Yamaha f200 at 504lbs? I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong which is fine.
I have the Nmea 2000 network which like the above post allows engine parameters to display on my chart plotter if I want. Overall, I'm happy with my choice.
So, as Joe pointed out, you have many options and things to consider. Good luck. If you want to chat about anything, shot me a message and I'll give you my number to chat.
Great boat BTW.
Stephen.
thanks Stephen
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| JRP |
Posted on 07/13/16 - 7:40 AM
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... That is a lot of extra power for very little weight gain.
To elaborate further on this point, I agree with Joe that (assuming it is affordable) it makes good sense to get the F200 rather than the F150 if you are going the Yamaha route. There is virtually no weight penalty, and it offers 33% more horsepower. That is a BIG boost. If I'm not mistaken, it also gets you a higher output alternator (which may partially account for the minimal weight gain.)
The F150 (or better yet VMax 150) would be an option for those who are bumping up against the max rating of their hull. But an Outrage 20 doesn't have this problem.
In the Mercury line-up, the odd thing is that their 150 Fourstroke is a stand-alone model. There are no higher (or lower) HP versions of this engine. Unlike Yamaha (or Evinrude for that matter), to bump up to a 200 hp Merc requires a different engine series and a jump in weight. So the Merc 150 Fourstroke may be a best-in-class contender given its weight, power, and cost, but only if you are limiting yourself to a 150 -- in my opinion.
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