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Need your inputs on a Sentry
saumon	#1  Posted on 08/29/14 - 6:31 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 142 Comments: 0 Joined: 05/15/12	Hi, a friend of mine is interrested by a Sentry that is listed locally (http://www.kijiji.ca/v-bateau/laval-r...nFlag=true (sorry, the ad is in French)) but there's a couple of red flags and I have a few questions for you. The seller doesn't seems to know much about boats nor Whalers. He bought the boat (a retired cop patrol boat) at an auction 2 years ago and didn't use it much since. It is listed as a 2005 21 Sentry but has the classic smirked hull, not the Accutrak hull, so I was pretty sure it was older. I called the seller (haven't seen the boat in person yet) and, with the HIN, finally learn that it's a 1992 model year. For the lenght, it seems to me that this model is the CPD version of the Revenge 22, is this right? If so, being rated for a max of 240hp, won't it be grossly under-powered with a 150hp? The transition years for Evinrude to the E-Tec models being 2004-2006, depending of the hp range, is a 2005 150hp really an E-Tec or a Ficht RAM (I ask because there's no visible E-Tec stickers on the cowling)? For the 220 hours on the engine, the seller says he made a guesstimate based on an average of 25 hours a year! I asked for the EMM report and he didn't even know it can be done, but said the boat itself has 900 hours! When I asked him how he could know that, he said there's an hourmeter but that it is original to the boat! I thought that it probably was installed with the 2005 T-Tec, 100hrs/years (900hrs on a 9yrs engine) being more realistic for a police patrol boat. He also said it has a heavy-duty gearcase? Anyways, I asked him to send me a pic of the capacity plate and also the survey that was done this spring so maybe I'll learn more but if you have any comments, feel free to share. Thanks. Edited by saumon on 08/29/14 - 6:34 AM 1991 Outrage 17' I - 2005 E-Tec 90hp
gchuba	#2  Posted on 08/29/14 - 7:42 AM
Member Posts: 1675 Comments: 0 Joined: 03/31/13	I have a 1979 22ft Revenge so I looked up the Sentry out of curiosity. I believe the boat you are referring to is listed for $29,900? I may have seen the picture. I would call it more in line with a Outrage with the enclosed transom, or the Revenge that had the cabin more for storage, than full use. I believe the Etecs were introduced in early 2004 so 2005 would definitely be the Etec. Not the Fisch. I would say the motor size is on the cusp of power. I have been told that 175hp the minimum for my Revenge. Garris
saumon	#3  Posted on 08/29/14 - 7:49 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 142 Comments: 0 Joined: 05/15/12	I put a clickable link of the ad (wich had a few pics) in my post. It started a few months ago at 29900$ but is now listed at 23800 CA$ (21800 US$). http://www.kijiji.ca/v-bateau/laval-r...nFlag=true Edited by saumon on 08/29/14 - 8:10 AM 1991 Outrage 17' I - 2005 E-Tec 90hp
Phil T	#4  Posted on 08/29/14 - 8:37 AM
Administrator Personal Page Personal Album Project Albums Posts: 6986 Comments: 6 Joined: 03/26/05	That model of Sentry is based off the classic Outrage hull with a different cockpit. This model was offered well into the post classic years. CPD boats have many options and can be built to spec. so it's hard to tell what are standard options and what are truly custom. Most government boats at auction have no history or records so don't count on anything the seller says. Condition speaks of the value of the boat. Is that paint or gelcoat on the hull? What is going on at the transom? Is that stainless steel? A 150hp on an Outrage 22 is a bit on the low side. Should see mid 30's at WOT? Regardless of what the seller paid, it appears overpriced to me. That model is unique and not everyone's cup of tea.
gchuba	#5  Posted on 08/29/14 - 7:58 PM
Member Posts: 1675 Comments: 0 Joined: 03/31/13	I need to edit my original post. Meant to say enclosed bow. Garris Editing my edit. I personally would consider the deck layout nicer if it was a walk around with the storage space towards the bow. Currently the only access to the pulpit is through the hatch. A little tight in there. You lose space for storage for anchor access. Edited by gchuba on 08/29/14 - 8:07 PM
saumon	#6  Posted on 08/30/14 - 3:20 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 142 Comments: 0 Joined: 05/15/12	Thanks guys, my friend will pass on this one. He's looking for a weekend cruiser and this one is definitely too much spartan for his needs, and too pricey for what you get. 1991 Outrage 17' I - 2005 E-Tec 90hp
William M Worden	#7  Posted on 08/30/14 - 10:00 AM
Member Posts: 17 Comments: 0 Joined: 04/15/10	If it were me looking, I would be very curious of what is under that large stainless plate. Most law enforcement versions I've seen in the U.S. have twins of significant size capable of planing the boat on one engine. Given the towing bar and mounts I would have expected twins. That plate could be covering a multitude of sins as well. Edited by William M Worden on 08/30/14 - 10:01 AM W. Mark Worden A.K.A pneum0
saumon	#8  Posted on 08/30/14 - 12:25 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 142 Comments: 0 Joined: 05/15/12	Ok, as a follow up, I got a pic of the capacity plate and the survey. http://www.myfishingpictures.com/data...AG0868.jpg The plate indicate "19" as the model and a capacity of "7 persons or 970lbs, 1925lbs total, and a max of 150hp", exactly like the 18/19 I Outrage, so you guys were right that it's based on the Outrage hull, but it's on the 18', not the 20' or the 22'! Only difference being that it has an internal 125 gal. tank. Also, the engine is not a 2005 but a 2004. http://www.myfishingpictures.com/data...shot_1.jpg So I guess that make it an overpriced Outrage 18' without the woodwork. 1991 Outrage 17' I - 2005 E-Tec 90hp
ritzyrags	#9  Posted on 08/30/14 - 12:47 PM
Member Project Albums Posts: 1003 Comments: 36 Joined: 06/18/08	A great discussion about this prospect boat. The hull is obviously OEM and most likely was farmed out to the "Forces" as a bare hull. The cab and accessories were contracted out and added by choice. The 150 seems to have been added afterward as the Whaler hulls came equipped with Mercuries. A clean solid and functional hull in a turn key state will be priced accordingly. If interested one can always counter offer and get in the dance. Not my choice of hull but interesting enough to have given opinion about it. Dont lie Dont Cheat And dont give up..