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Classic Outrage 19 History
ritzyrags	#1  Posted on 12/03/13 - 12:21 PM
Member Project Albums Posts: 1003 Comments: 36 Joined: 06/18/08	Gentlemen, Been trying to get the specifics of the differences between The 1972- Whaler 19 and it's background history having been redesigned hull wise from the "mid seam" hull and cap junction from the original Classic Outrage 21 1971. Complications as in recalls due to leakage? More easily assembled? Was the reduction by two feet desired? Through the grapevine are still existing rumors of possibilities of series of hulls fabricated abroad. Was there ever any truth about seeing the 1972 Whaler 19 being much lighter and less substantial the the 1975 Classic Outrage 19 as an example? The information about the three models and it's specific components must be within the library of some of the oldest Whaler owners. These were the days of the old Boston Whaler facility on Hingham Street in Rockland Massachusetts. This will undoubtedly be another background historical search that will involve some of the older workers having witnessed the events of the early seventies; decision makings; at the Whaler plants of these early years. Dont lie Dont Cheat And dont give up..
Joe Kriz	#2  Posted on 12/03/13 - 1:15 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11432 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	To begin with, the first year model was 1973. (doesn't matter when it was made) #0001 owned by tyno22 http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...icle_id=96 http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...lbum_id=13 The first time this model shows up is in the 1973 Boston Whaler catalog and in the 1-1-1973 Price List. Standard seating was 2 pedestal swivel chairs. Several other seat options where available including the RPS.
Finnegan	#3  Posted on 12/03/13 - 3:22 PM
Member Posts: 1925 Comments: 16 Joined: 05/02/08	Joe - Are you sure of that regarding the pedestal seats? I do not have Tom's catalog CD at my disposal right now, but all the information I remember is that the RPS was the standard seat on the Outrage 19. On my 1975 model, for which I have the original dealer invoice, the twin Pompanette Pilot chairs with arms was a 50% extra over the cost of the standard RPS. The RPS credit shown was $300, and the chair set with cast aluminum bases was $450.
Joe Kriz	#4  Posted on 12/03/13 - 3:27 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11432 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Positive according to the 1973 catalog and parts list. Actually the standard equipment seat was 1 Pompanette swivel seat less arms, rod holders, gimbal. Optional seating: Pompanette pedestal seat w/rod sockets, gimbals and armrests = $210 Twin Pompanette pedestal seats 2/rod sockets, gimbals and armrests = $420 Reversible Pilot seat with teak back and rod sockets = $308 Pilot seat (37") w/Fiberglass insulated storage base = $450 Edited by Joe Kriz on 12/03/13 - 3:36 PM
Finnegan	#5  Posted on 12/03/13 - 3:50 PM
Member Posts: 1925 Comments: 16 Joined: 05/02/08	Very interesting. Somewhere between 1973 and 1975 they made the RPS standard. In looking at Tyno's photos, I notice the chairs had smooth vinyl, which appears to be original. Two years later, the chair upholstery was greatly improved with the tan pleat and brown piping, and more contoured padding for increased comfort. Mine are also factory original. http://smg.photobucket.com/user/lgolt...9680195524 The other interesting detail in #0001 are the rectangular, teak trimmed inner gunwale storage pockets. I have never seen that before. Either this is an owner modification, or it preceeded the oval cut-outs that most of the earlier ones have. That is the one early detail of these boats I do not care for, and am fortunate that mine has the later teak shelving design and normal depth interior return, with teak trim, like the 21's. I noticed the comments about this boat being from Algoma WI, or at least fishing up there on Lake MI. There is a very good chance that number #0001 and mine were sold by the same dealer in nearby Kewaunee WI, where mine spent most of it's entire life in storage. This Dealer liked the 19's and sold them all with Johnson 70's. Edited by Finnegan on 12/03/13 - 4:00 PM
tom blinstrub	#6  Posted on 12/04/13 - 2:55 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 369 Comments: 0 Joined: 12/14/09	The classic 19 and 21 were not built in Rockland but in Norwell just down the road a few miles. Later on they built the 1980's 18,20,22 and 25 at the norwell plant. Just through the woods from the norwell plant the hanover plant did all the commercial conversions.
tyno22	#7  Posted on 12/04/13 - 7:14 PM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 15 Comments: 4 Joined: 07/15/09	The teak trimmed out storage pockets is an owner modification that my dad did after he bought the boat years ago. #0001 is sitting out in the yard covered up right now still waiting to be restored. I've got a good start but long ways to go. Since we bought our house it seems like its been all house projects and boat stuff has been on hold. Still have a boat to use to have fun: the Whaler 21 early 1970's era and the 25 Revenge. Don't have a picture posted of the 1970's boat, but we've done 3 family trips to the Gulf of Mexixo in it to do saltwater fishing. Will and should get a picture posted of the 21 on here soon. Just waiting on getting a shed put up so I can actually work on the 19. Think my dad bought the 19 Outrage from a dealer from Fremont, WI (which west of Lake Winnebago). Tony Hentz 1973 19'4 Outrage, 175 Johnson, Stencil #0001
ritzyrags	#8  Posted on 12/05/13 - 3:04 AM
Member Project Albums Posts: 1003 Comments: 36 Joined: 06/18/08	And again as the actual and non catalogued history within the The CML Group Years 1969-1989 http://bostonwhalersforsale.com/about...n-whalers/ A stable with strong brand names and high quality products like Nordic Track and The Nature Company. Boston Whaler was CML’s first big acquisition, and they seemed to be a good fit with the Whaler corporate culture. Sales boomed and more models were added to the product line. In 1970 the 21-Outrage appeared. In 1972 the 19-Outrage was introduced. In 1973 the first 21-Revenge model was created. In 1974 I/O powered Revenge and Outrage models were featured. In 1975 the 15-foot hull was added. Many other models and refinements continued throughout the 1970′s. Jim Hebert, February 11, 2001. Revised February 25, 2001. Revised April 25, 2001 Another well related and most telling facts about this Classic Outrage 19 models will be that The model dated and manufactured in 1972/1973 was actually called the Boston Whaler 19 and NOT the Outrage 19. As per classification 19-BOSTON WHALER 19' 4" 7' 4" 10" 1500-1600 1990 4000 170 65 20" 40 1972-1973 19-OUTRAGE 19' 4" 7' 4" 10" 1500-1600 1990 4000 170 65 20" 40 1973-1978 19-REVENGE 19' 4" 7' 4" 1600 4000 175 65 20" 1973-1978 The reason for clarifying the difference between the Whaler 19 1972 and 1973 And the Classic Outrage 19 1973/1978 has been observed to show an unmistakable difference in heft and depth between the two hulls. I have personally had this impression while surveying one well documented 1972 Whaler 19 for sale that I came very close to buying. Intriguing event that left me with a feeling of having looked at more of a copy than the actual real Classic that was waiting for me at home. Edited by Joe Kriz on 07/29/16 - 6:41 PM Dont lie Dont Cheat And dont give up..
Joe Kriz	#9  Posted on 12/05/13 - 12:08 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11432 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	You can't go by production years like on those lists. My wife's Jeep was made in 2007. It is not a 2007 year model however, it is a 2008 year model. The year model for the first Boston Whaler 19' was 1973. Doesn't matter when it was produced unless it was before August of 1972. The years were gray areas back then but basically any boat built in August or later were the next year model. Jim uses "Production" years in his chart you linked to. Our main goal here is "Model" year and second, when it was made. As far as we know, there is no such thing as a 1972 year model. Again, Production dates do not make the year model. As mentioned above, The first price list for this model was 1-1-1973 The first one we know of with an HIN number is sraab which was produced in October of 1972 as a 1973 year model. I have personally had this impression while surveying one well documented 1972 Whaler 19 for sale that I came very close to buying. Which boat was this? What is the Stencil number? When was it produced? Tell us more of what you found.
Joe Kriz	#10  Posted on 12/05/13 - 3:05 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11432 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Maybe Tony (tyno22) can tell us more about his Outrage 19', which apparently, is the first one ever made. #0001 I think his family may have bought it new but don't remember for sure. Maybe he still has the original paper work when it was purchased? What month it was purchased and where, etc.? Edited by Joe Kriz on 12/05/13 - 3:06 PM
Weatherly	#11  Posted on 12/12/13 - 12:28 PM
Member Posts: 752 Comments: 4 Joined: 12/31/06	I checked with the retired Boston Whaler Rockland, MA factory employee, regarding Ritzyrags' question about the history of the BW19 hull. There was one BW19 hull design; no changes to the hull during manufacture years: early 1970's to late 1970's. Maybe you came across a BW19 hull clone. See the look-a-like hulls offered in this link: http://www.gulfcoastboats.net/models.htmmodels.htm
Finnegan	#12  Posted on 12/12/13 - 1:56 PM
Member Posts: 1925 Comments: 16 Joined: 05/02/08	With the first model year of the 19 being 1973, the 1973 catalog describes the boat as a "Whaler 19" I believe that for 1974 model years, they changed the name to Outrage 19. My guess (that's all it is) is that initially they only considered the unusual (for it's time) Outrage 21 a true Outrage, one of a kind model. Then evidently because of identical hull bottom configuration, and same console/seat options, they decided to make "Outrage" a series name, rather a just a single hull name. So the boat became an "Outrage 19." I think this is one of Whaler's all time great looking boats.
ritzyrags	#13  Posted on 12/13/13 - 9:04 PM
Member Project Albums Posts: 1003 Comments: 36 Joined: 06/18/08	Of course,Whaler nineteen it is. And this before the Outrage name from the Classic Outrage 21 was applied to the slightly shorter hull version called the Whaler nineteen. As to why the nineteen was produced will rely on the under 20' preferred size from recreational boaters of the times. The demand for a smaller version of the original twenty one footer was obviously there but has remained undocumented from a management decision level up to this date. The Whaler 19 1972 number 00055 was surveyed and rejected as the owner Jim Swan had run the boat with the aft sump through hull and stern tube missing ans seal less. I surveyed and took possession of the 1975 Classic Outrage # 000771 and refitted accordingly. The 1975 version of the Outrage seems to be a beefier or heavier duty version of the compared older version IE- Whaler 19. Dont lie Dont Cheat And dont give up..
Joe Kriz	#14  Posted on 12/14/13 - 1:20 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11432 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Actually, the 1973 catalog states "Boston Whaler 19" We have also had that trivia in our question section for many years now. For the Outrage 21' in that same year, BW called it "Boston Whaler 21" with a saying after that as "We call it the Outrage". See the attachment below from the 1973 catalog for the "Boston Whaler 19". Joe Kriz attached the following image: [109.39Kb]
ritzyrags	#15  Posted on 12/14/13 - 5:24 PM
Member Project Albums Posts: 1003 Comments: 36 Joined: 06/18/08	Thank You Joe for pointing out this obscure if not forgotten detail. Every little bit of info depicts a clearer picture about the Classic Outrages 19 and Twenty One. And, [checked with the retired Boston Whaler Rockland, MA factory employee, regarding Ritzyrags' question about the history of the BW19 hull. There was one BW19 hull design; no changes to the hull during manufacture years: early 1970's to late 1970's.] Wonder of what facts and details these workers from the shop floor can be recalled and passed on to the membership. These times are gone but could be recalled for the benefit of the time invested Classic Owners. Dont lie Dont Cheat And dont give up..
ritzyrags	#16  Posted on 09/17/21 - 10:24 PM
Member Project Albums Posts: 1003 Comments: 36 Joined: 06/18/08	And a good read...Thank You Joe for the Whaler 19 details clarifications...Well done.Still to this day some people still think that there has never been any differences between the Whaler 19 1973/74 and the Outrage 19 1975/78. Dont lie Dont Cheat And dont give up..