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BW Introduces New 2018 Montauk 150 and 170
JRP
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Posted on 08/25/17 - 8:12 AM
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Some interesting new models from Boston Whaler:

2018 Montauk 150: https://www.bostonwhaler.com/family-o...tauk-2018/

2018 Montauk 170 https://www.bostonwhaler.com/family-o...tauk-2018/

Let the discussions begin!

 
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The Montauk 170 now has an integrated fuel tank (25 Gallons) like the larger Montauk 190 and 210 models.

It also received a bump in max HP to 115.

Plus more locker storage.

At first glance, it has become a lot more interesting than the previous version. It seems to be a more viable alternative to the older classic Outrage 18/19 and Outrage 17 models.

 
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New 2018 Montauk 170 Specs:


L.O.A.: 17’ 4" (5.28 M)

BEAM: 7’ 3” (2.21 M)

DRAFT: 12” (0.30 M)

WEIGHT (DRY, NO ENGINE): 1,700 LBS (771KG)

MAXIMUM WEIGHT CAPACITY: 1,900 LBS (862KG)

SWAMPED CAPACITY: 2,800 LBS (1,270KG)

PERSONS CAPACITY: 7

MAXIMUM HORSEPOWER: 115 HP (85.8 KW)

MINIMUM HORSEPOWER: 90 HP (67 KW)

DEADRISE AT TRANSOM: 16

FUEL CAPACITY: 25 GALLONS (94.6 L)

MAXIMUM ENGINE WEIGHT: 410 LBS (186 KG)

TRANSOM HEIGHT: 25” (0.50 M)

BRIDGE CLEARANCE (NO TOP): 4’ 11” (1.49 M)

BRIDGE CLEARANCE (WITH SUN-TOP): 6’ 8” (2.03 M)




Compared to previous 2017 Montauk 170 Specs:


L.O.A.: 17’ (5.18 M)

BEAM: 6’ 10” (2.08 M)

DRAFT: 9” (0.22 M)

WEIGHT (DRY, NO ENGINE): 1,400 LBS (635 KG)

MAXIMUM WEIGHT CAPACITY: 1,650 LBS (748 KG)

WEIGHT (WITH ENGINES, FUEL AND WATER, IF APPLICABLE): 1,890 LBS. (857 KG)

SWAMPED CAPACITY: 3,400 LBS (1,542 KG)

HEIGHT (KEEL TO HIGHEST POINT): 5’ 4”

HEIGHT (LOWEST TIP UNDERWATER GEAR, IN DOWN POSITION, TO TOP OF WINDSHIELD/HARDTOP): 6’ 4”

PERSONS CAPACITY: 7

MAXIMUM HORSEPOWER: 90 HP (67 KW)

MINIMUM HORSEPOWER: 60 HP (44.8 KW)

DEADRISE AT TRANSOM: 16

FUEL CAPACITY: 13 GALLONS (49.2 L)

MAXIMUM ENGINE WEIGHT: 410 LBS (186 KG)

TRANSOM HEIGHT: 20” (0.50 M)

LIVEWELL VOLUME: 12 GALLONS (45.4 L)(OPTIONAL)

BRIDGE CLEARANCE (NO TOP): 4’ 11” (1.49 M)

BRIDGE CLEARANCE (WITH SUN-TOP): 6’ 11” (2.10 M)

PACKAGE BOAT SPECS (WITH TRAILER/ENGINE UP): 20’ 4”L X 7’ 8”W X 7’ 0”H

EUROPEAN CERTIFICATION: C


 
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It's a shame they didn't bump up the max hp to 70 for the 150.

 
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masbama wrote:
It's a shame they didn't bump up the max hp to 70 for the 150.


I agree.

It is funny though, because the artist's renderings of the new Montauk 150 show it with a Merc 90.

It seems like the 2018 Montauk 150 may not have been built yet -- I haven't seen photos, only renderings. Whereas the 2018 Montauk 170 has a full photo gallery.

 
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This gets confusing.

First, the Classic Montauk 17 weighs about the same as the current 150 Super Sport and current 150 Montauk. Yet the old Montauk was rated for 100HP versus 60HP for these two 15' boats.

The 2017 and earlier Montauk 170 is a HUGE boat compared to the above ... at 1400 pounds, 500 pounds heavier. And rated for 90HP. The 2018 Montauk at 1700 pounds is nearly double the weight of the 150 SS, 150 Montauk, and old Montauk 17. It should have a heckuva lot more HP rating.

Compared to the classic Montauk 17, the new 170 Montauk (and especially the 2018 170 Montauk) are massively bigger boats, like the old Outrage 18 (even it was lighter). The deeper V hull and the added weight make the 170 Montauks much better riding in chop, by most accounts--but I have no direct experience with the new Montauk ... is it better?

And yet, the 190 Outrage is yet heavier than the 2018 170 Montauk.

As the feature set comes closer together, will the Outrage line move up in size, dropping the smaller boats in favor of Montauks and/or Dauntlesses? There does seem to be a lot of overlap in the lineup, and that cannot be good for costs of manufacturing or marketing.


Edited by ClevelandBill on 08/26/17 - 11:45 AM
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ClevelandBill wrote:
This gets confusing.

First, the Classic Montauk 17 weighs about the same as the current 150 Super Sport and current 150 Montauk. Yet the old Montauk was rated for 100HP versus 60HP for these two 15' boats.

The 2017 and earlier Montauk 170 is a HUGE boat compared to the above ... at 1400 pounds, 500 pounds heavier. And rated for 90HP. The 2018 Montauk at 1700 pounds is nearly double the weight of the 150 SS, 150 Montauk, and old Montauk 17. It should have a heckuva lot more HP rating.

Compared to the classic Montauk 17, the new 170 Montauk (and especially the 2018 170 Montauk) are massively bigger boats, like the old Outrage 18 (even it was lighter). The deeper V hull and the added weight make the 170 Montauks much better riding in chop, by most accounts--but I have no direct experience with the new Montauk ... is it better?

And yet, the 190 Outrage is yet heavier than the 2018 170 Montauk.

As the feature set comes closer together, will the Outrage line move up in size, dropping the smaller boats in favor of Montauks and/or Dauntlesses? There does seem to be a lot of overlap in the lineup, and that cannot be good for costs of manufacturing or marketing.



Bill, those are good questions.

I see the current and 2018 Montauk 150 as the successor/rough equivalent to the old classic Montauk 17. This new 2018 Montauk 170 seems to be pushing into the niche previously filled by the old classic Outrage 17/18/19 models.

Where this leaves the current Outrage 190 is an interesting question. It has been in production since 2004, so it may be coming due for an update as well. Perhaps we will see some big changes there.

Or maybe BW will eliminate the 190 Outrage and the Outrage line-up will become the 23'+ fishing series, with the Montauk series filling the 15-21' size range? Dauntless of course would overlap with both those series, but at least Montauk and Outrage would no longer overlap. That might make product selection a bit easier for would-be customers.


Edited by JRP on 08/27/17 - 7:16 AM
 
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I think we should start calling it the Montauk 170 II so as not to confuse the two different versions.


Edited by Phil T on 08/27/17 - 5:55 PM
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Phil: you're right.

The Models and Specs page ... is it complete up to a certain size of BW boat? Does it have all the models from the largest boats listed downward? If not, do you need help tracking down info for not-yet-listed boats?

Also, I realize that Whaler Central is really about the care and feeding of "Classic" Whalers, yet the Models and Specs does include the newer Whalers (destined to be classics ...). Is there a philosophical reason not to include all the newer, larger Whalers? There are gazillions ...


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Phil T wrote:
I think we should start calling it the Montauk 170 II so as not to confuse the two different versions.


Good point, Phil.

Although, BW refers to the existing models as the "170 Montauk" and "150 Montauk", and calls the new models the "170 Montauk 2018" and "150 Montauk 2018."

So maybe we should follow their lead and put "170" first? That would make these new models the "170 Montauk II" and the "150 Montauk II."

It does get confusing, that's for sure. But not as confusing yet as Outrage 19, 19 Outrage I, 19 Outrage II, 19 Outrage III, and 190 Outrage!!

 
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I agree about the II no matter where you put it.

170 Montauk II
or
Montauk 170 II

If you look in the 2002 and 2003 Boston Whaler catalogs, even Boston Whaler had the same variations on the names of the 170 Montauk.
The catalog shows 170 Montauk listed but the decals on the boat were Montauk 170.
So it really didn't matter which comes first except for alphabetizing the names in a database.

Looks like I will be making some changes to our Models section.
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...owstart=60

150 Montauk
2005 - 2017

170 Montauk
2002 - 2017

150 Montauk II
2018 - Present

170 Montauk II
2018 - Present


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That looks good, Joe.

For what it's worth BW seems to be using a "170 Montauk" decal on the side of the new (2018) 170. And the artists rendering of the (2018) 150 shows a "150 Montauk" decal.

The 170 Montauk II is really growing on me. Some of you guys may remember I was considering a new 170 Montauk I a few years back, but ended up with a used 19 Outrage II. I really like the 19 Outrage II, but I'm not sure I would have gone this route if the 170 Montauk II had been available. It checks a lot of boxes for me. I'm looking forward to seeing one in person -- possibly at the Annapolis Boat Show in October.

 
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Not much difference in the 150 Montauk versus the 150 Montauk II.
Same length, beam, weight, engine sizes, etc.
It only seems the draft is 2 inches more, but why?
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...owstart=60

 
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Joe Kriz wrote:
Not much difference in the 150 Montauk versus the 150 Montauk II.
Same length, beam, weight, engine sizes, etc.
It only seems the draft is 2 inches more, but why?
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...owstart=60


I was wondering the same thing. It makes me question whether the specs for the 2018 150 Montauk II could be preliminary, and they are just using the old specs as a place holder? But then there is that change in the draft (yet same deadrise of 16 at the transom??)

The big difference I see in the new 150 Montauk II is a change in interior layout. The outboard well is gone, and the optional live-well seems to be gone too. The bow locker area has been reworked. The floor space seems more open, although the RPS seems larger too.

It would have been nice to see this model get a bump in max HP (like the 170 Montauk II), maybe up to 70-75 HP (the classic 15 hulls were rated to 70 HP, and they were a smaller/lighter boat.)

 
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Did anyone note the loss in swamp capacity for the Montauk 170 II? 600 lbs reduction compared to the Montauk 170. 2800 lbs vs. 3400 lbs

As these boats get heavier, it goes down significantly.



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Phil T wrote:
Did anyone note the loss in swamp capacity for the Montauk 170 II? 600 lbs reduction compared to the Montauk 170. 2800 lbs vs. 3400 lbs

As these boats get heavier, it goes down significantly.


Maybe that is partially due to the removal of foam from the interior hull to accomodate the 25 gallong fuel tank and tank plumbing?

On the plus side, the new 170 Montauk II does have a 250 lbs increase in payload capacity.

 
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A Whaler dealer in Florida (MarineMax) has a decent walk-around video of the new 2018 170 Montauk II:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bedii...ediijYovtQ

 
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What did he call it?

Why does the Boston Whaler website and the youtube video show 170 Montauk on the side.

I guess I will pull it with my brand new 2017 Ford F-25

No wonder the general public doesn't have a clue what to call their Whaler even though the boats name has a decal on the side that says:
170 MONTAUK

Thanks for sharing that video.
Made me laugh for sure.
Does look like a nice new model though whatever they want to call it.

 
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Joe Kriz wrote:
What did he call it?...


"17 Montauk."

I guess old/bad habits die hard.

Yes, the video showed the boat fairly well (although too bad he didn't climb aboard and open up some more lockers, etc.) But I was also surprised that a dealership had one of these new 170 Montauk models already.

 
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Oh, I am not so sure I like the stainless rub-rail all around. I can't argue with wider beam, deeper V, the fuel tank change, etc. This 170 Montauk II is a monster ... will kick butt on Lake Erie. My dream boat was always the old Outrage 18 (mid 1980's), but that dream has got to be replaced ... and probably the Montauk series is where it's at. I suppose I'd take a 190 Outrage if I won it in a raffle ... but for all of these, I'd have to get a new truck to pull 'em ...

Happy with my current boat ... and the one big thing I could use more of is not OAL, but good weather days to get out in ...


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