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thanks for all the ideas,Ill probably use the factory threaded 10.5" ss rod,with a large ss fender washer on the inside lifting eye a bunch of resin with fiberglass fibers inside the void and the D ring on the outside. I jsut wish the outside D ring was sitting on a larger piece of metal to disperse the weight. Binkie,did you buy a tear swim platform and mod it to use as a stern platform? Great idea ,I want to make something similar for the bow of my outrage.