Whaler Central - Boston Whaler Boat Information and Photos

Posted by MG56 on 08/03/14 - 3:26 PM

A very nice original hull like that should have been preserved & restored. What you did to it is an epic fail. When I saw your efforts at the transom repair I thought at least you were trying to preserve the green line, but the pictures that followed shocked me.

This is a perfect example of why there are so few very nice original hulls left in the world.

Posted by Finnegan on 08/03/14 - 4:02 PM

#10

There is always somebody.....

I think it's beautiful, the finest, most professional, restoration work I have ever seen, and a great service to the overall Classic Whaler community, keeping these famous boats out on the water and in the classic boat shows.

However, being a Merc guy, I don't like the look of the modern, over-styled 90 E-tec. I don't think it does justice to the classic boat and the work involved. An approximately period correct completely remanufactured 2-stroke, whether it be Merc or OMC, would be a knock out on this boat, and for no more money, maybe even less. Such as one of these:

http://classicmercuryoutboards.com/homes.com/home

These boats should also have restored red Tempo/Mirax 12 gallon tanks.

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/lgolt...6&o=14

All suggestions meant only to be constructive!

Edited by Finnegan on 08/03/14 - 4:10 PM

Posted by thegage on 08/03/14 - 6:16 PM

#11

MG56 wrote:
A very nice original hull like that should have been preserved & restored. What you did to it is an epic fail. When I saw your efforts at the transom repair I thought at least you were trying to preserve the green line, but the pictures that followed shocked me.

This is a perfect example of why there are so few very nice original hulls left in the world.

You had to dig up a thread over a year old just to be negative? Talk about Fail.

There are probably at least 100 other perfect examples ahead of this one as to why there are so few nice original hulls left in the world. Number 1 perfect example: time.

John K.

Edited by thegage on 08/03/14 - 6:17 PM

Posted by egerrity on 08/05/14 - 11:08 AM

#17

Amazing... I do love the ETEC, but an old OMC or MERC would look great. I love that they stayed true with the Teleflex shifter. I have mentioned in other posts that I hate my new shifter with my new ETEC... I would love to switch to the Morse style, but I think the loss of the trim and tilt in the handle is too big of a trade off. I wonder if I could get used to it. I love the sound the old shifter makes...
I follow Metan on facebook and they did some amazing repairs to Sandy damaged boats.
I hope everyone is enjoying there boats this summer...

Posted by Finnegan on 08/05/14 - 2:40 PM

#18

Ed - You can make a Morse MT-3 work for you - I did. See previous photo also:

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/lgolt...6&o=16

I agree - the BRP engine control is an ugly beast, and way too large for the Whaler console.

I would also agree that the lack of power trim control in the handles is not quite as convenient, but not a deal breaker either. The benefits of the ultra smooth MT-3, especially when fitted with the new super smooth Teleflex XTREME cables, more than make up for it. I have quickly gotten used to the separate Mercury trim panels (round) located underneath the control on the console face. Even with twins, not a big deal at all. I replaced the traditional small red knobs with the larger yacht style knobs from "Ongaro" (or something like that!

Another question - Do you know if Sue still sells the replacement (uncut) gage panels, as shown on the left side of that Montauk? As you can see in my photos, I need two.

Edited by Finnegan on 08/05/14 - 2:42 PM

Posted by egerrity on 08/06/14 - 6:36 AM

#19

I don't know if Sue still sells them...

Your shifter looks amazing... I was out on my whaler last night and I cant deal with the BRP shifter anymore, the location of the key is dangerous, and can get caught on anything close and snap off the key.
Do I need to change my shift and throttle cables too?

Where is the best place to buy the parts?

Maybe we should state a new thread..

Posted by Finnegan on 08/06/14 - 9:28 AM

#20

To make the conversion, you will need, besides the MT-3:

1. Teleflex XTREME cables. I think they make them Universal at the control end (which means they fit Teleflex/Morse directly, and OMC/BRP specific at the engine end. You can also get Universal on both end, and buy the adaptor kits for BRP. Try surplusunlimited.com for good pricing. About $45/cable, but worth it. Assuming you have BRP control cables now, they won't work in the Morse, Nor did my Mercury ones.

2. Power trim panel. I bought Mercury's for $75/each, which simply plug into the plug from the key switch ignition harness. They may also be convertible for use with BRP? Others have simply rigged up a toggle switch to save money. BRP may have an offering also.

3. You have a complication I didn't have because of the key switch integral with the control. I never thought that was a good idea, and Mercury never offered it. You may need a separate key switch panel.

4. Depending on the hole in your console, you may have to make a thin teak base plate as I did.

Because of the popularity of Evinrudes on Montauks, you should easily be able to sell your control for a good dollar recovery.

Posted by egerrity on 08/06/14 - 1:05 PM

#21

Thanks for all the great info.
Your points are well taken, this is why I didn't change the shifter the first week I had it. I guess I can find a place for the key/dead man. I'm not sure where I would put the trim toggle. At 4000RPM that boat needs a hand on the wheel and hand on the throttle. The toggle would have to be close or right next to the shifter in the "thin Base".
I will take some pics and mull it over.
I really want to have the "click Click" shifter...

Posted by MG56 on 08/06/14 - 3:52 PM

#22

Finnegan wrote:
There is always somebody.....

I think it's beautiful, the finest, most professional, restoration work I have ever seen, and a great service to the overall Classic Whaler community, keeping these famous boats out on the water and in the classic boat shows...

Go back to the first pictures and look close at the hull they used for this project. You have museum quality Whalers because you have genuine hulls & genuine parts. They took one of the last remaining quality 50 year old hulls and raped it. This is now a second tier hull, never to be genuine again.

And this isn't a restoration, I doubt there is an original part other than the rails & there are many things not "right" with the reproduction. It is a very professional finish, top rate. Someone asked what the sale price is, is it 20-30k? Try like 60K, and I doubt they got a buyer, and if so I doubt they are out frolicking. And what happened to the Red Ritchie Compass?

Regardless, I didn't mean to post to this thread, Joe made me do it. He poked at us to check out the sponsors, (Metan isn't now, btw), so I did. I remained shocked at what happened with this specific hull and didn't reply several times, because this is an old thread, but I had to post what I did above.

I am more shocked that I am the only one here that has a problem with the destruction of that classic hull. Actually, not restoring that entire boat was an opportunity lost,

A genuine Whaler is genuine once!

That's ok, I am used to the masses not having a clue what I am talking about.

Posted by gchuba on 08/06/14 - 5:08 PM

#23

MG56, is your issue with the restoration that the boat is now "thicker" than the original. I reviewed the slide show and I do not see where the original lines were compromised or changed. Are you happening to look at this as a "good paint job"? Part of me understands the lack of true restoration. The other part of me is enthralled with the craftsmanship to present an old hull to "from the factory condition" with materials as close to possible to factory original.

Garris

Posted by thegage on 08/06/14 - 5:45 PM

#24

That's ok, I am used to the masses not having a clue what I am talking about.

The problem I have is your superior and dismissive attitude that there is only one way to treat an old boat and everyone else is an idiot who is not as elevated as you. You think old boats would be restored a particular way? Fine. You think anyone else who doesn't hold the same view is inferior to you? Not fine.

John K.

Posted by flippa on 08/07/14 - 6:57 AM

#25

I have seen several of Metan's restored boats at the shows every year, they are nothing short of amazing in their quality and finish. Mike is also a very nice guy.

Hey MG56, what is up with bashing the guys work? Have you ever seen one of his restored boats in person? Quit being such a smug SOB. If you have nothing nice to say.....STFU :)

Edited by flippa on 08/07/14 - 7:00 AM

Posted by MG56 on 08/09/14 - 6:11 PM

#26

gchuba wrote:
MG56, is your issue with the restoration that the boat is now "thicker" than the original. I reviewed the slide show and I do not see where the original lines were compromised or changed. Are you happening to look at this as a "good paint job"? Part of me understands the lack of true restoration. The other part of me is enthralled with the craftsmanship to present an old hull to "from the factory condition" with materials as close to possible to factory original.

Garris

My one single issue is the hull they started with was the most perfect blue hull I have seen in a very long time, and it should not have been ground down.

Pictures make everything look rosy and I may be wrong but that hull looked to be in near mint original condition. As it was taken off the mold with the non skid and green line intact. I'm sure after over 40 years it had issues but that hull deserved to be restored, not re-fabricated.

You have to understand, there were only so many blue 16 footers made, and there are VERY few remaining that can be restored with a mold correct hull. How many do you think are left in equal condition to that hull, 50?

I don't want to confuse the point I am trying to make with whether Metan did a good job. Their work is outstanding, and second to none.

I also think it is unfair to continue this disagreement you all seem to have with me on a venders thread, even though they are no longer a sponsor.

We should move the argument over to the boat forum if you all want to keep beating up on me. I would actually like that because I am surprised I am the only that places the proper value on a genuine hull.

Posted by crbenny on 08/09/14 - 7:00 PM

#27

Actually, I agree with you. If you're going to go to that extent, start with a basket case. Don't destroy a fine original. Can't really tell if that boat had crazing as it's sometimes difficult to spot, however if it didn't, and considering it hasn't been bottom painted, I think it's a shame..

Chris