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How to slow for drift fishing
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| gchuba |
Posted on 08/18/14 - 9:32 AM
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Mooching for salmon in my buddies 17' 1992 Montauk. We ended up putting the motor in reverse to slow us. I saw alot of boats with socks? whatever? etc...? slowing them up. I have a 1979 22' Revenge and would want the same feature for slowing down the drift. Any ideas? Thanks.
Garris
Also the same feature for my buddies Montauk
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| Silentpardner |
Posted on 08/18/14 - 9:38 AM
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Use a drift anchor/sock, that's what we do in the gulf. Apparently, they also do that there. Why don't you just ask one of those guys where to get what you need? There is another thread you have replied to here on WC where people have also recommended driftbags...it's active right now...
I saw alot of boats with socks? gchuba
I just ran a search on google for "drift sock"...got 1,600,000 results with pictures in .51 secs...
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| gchuba |
Posted on 08/18/14 - 10:20 AM
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Silent,
Thanks for the info about the "sock". I did not want to "hijack" another thread. I am interested in specifics for drifting, not motoring. Size, rigging, etc...
Garris
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| Silentpardner |
Posted on 08/18/14 - 10:22 AM
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Just run that search above, or run "drift sock use" and "drift sock sizing", you will get more info than most people can digest in a day :)
You should also be looking at your local fishing forum, I am pretty sure there is one out there.
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| gchuba |
Posted on 08/18/14 - 10:38 AM
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I saw Wing's other posting about the "bags" and was wondering if those are useful with slowing drifting. I have seen the sock used on other boats (and have used one with another friend's boat) and was wondering if members have alternative methods that might be less clumsy and space saving.
Garris
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| Silentpardner |
Posted on 08/18/14 - 10:45 AM
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Drift anchor/socks fold up and stow in any boat conveniently. The one I have on the Whaler 27 is MORE than adequate at times, and it folds into it's own stow bag that is only an inch and a half thick. About the same size folded as a rainsuit.
I am pretty sure wing's email is available, perhaps using that would be more productive for you?
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| Rock N Roll |
Posted on 08/18/14 - 11:11 AM
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We built one out of a Arny Navy Store parachute. I can mooch with one ounce straight up and down. I can take a picture or two if interested.
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| gchuba |
Posted on 08/18/14 - 11:28 AM
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Love to see pictures. As well as any other ideas.
Garris
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| donp |
Posted on 08/18/14 - 12:14 PM
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Multiple options are available. One is to purchase a devise that bolts to your lower unit. It has a flap you manually move down to control the prop's back wash. It can be purchase through Cabela's.
The old commercial bay crabbers pull 5 gallon buckets, I would suggest the draft sock over that since you can adjust the opening on the socks.
In my Montauk, shifting weight to the stern slows me down a few notches.
Don.
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| Rock N Roll |
Posted on 08/18/14 - 12:18 PM
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gchuba wrote:
Love to see pictures. As well as any other ideas.
Garris
Garris,
I will pull it out and snap a few pics tonight.
Kelly
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| wing15601 |
Posted on 08/18/14 - 1:26 PM
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A sea anchor/drift sock/trolling sock, whatever you want to call it, will help control which way the bow points. It won't cause your boat to drift slower than the current that is moving it but it will help to overcome the effect of wind on your drift. If your sole purpose is to effect your drift it would be way cheaper to use a bucket because trolling/drift socks are expensive.
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| Marko888 |
Posted on 08/18/14 - 1:46 PM
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They are not terribly expensive.
http://www.walleyetacklestore.com/sea...chors.html
I use them to slow the Outrage 18 down when fishing bait for large Chinook salmon.
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| Rock N Roll |
Posted on 08/18/14 - 1:55 PM
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wing15601 wrote:
A sea anchor/drift sock/trolling sock, whatever you want to call it, will help control which way the bow points. It won't cause your boat to drift slower than the current that is moving it but it will help to overcome the effect of wind on your drift. If your sole purpose is to effect your drift it would be way cheaper to use a bucket because trolling/drift socks are expensive.
The issue with mooching is the wind. Current is fine for the drift wind is not.
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| gchuba |
Posted on 08/18/14 - 4:28 PM
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Thanks for mentioning wind as the issue vs. currents. Do you think the bags are efficient or are the socks the only way to go? I would prefer not to have a bucket possibly banging the hull or trusting its handle.
Garris
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| wing15601 |
Posted on 08/18/14 - 7:43 PM
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The link given by Marko888 to Amish Outfitters seem to be the bags of choice in my area. I have the 18 inch bags for my Montauk 17 and they reduce my speed from 3 mph to 1.5 mph. I now wish I had gotten them a little larger to get my speed down to about 1 mph.
I winter in Ft. Myers and summer in St. Joseph, Michigan. It’s now about 12 years since I’ve joined this group. I gave my 1972 whaler to my daughter and sold the 17’. Bought an O’Day 28 sailboat and sailed on Lake Michigan. Yesterday I bought a 2005 130 Sport. |
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| Rock N Roll |
Posted on 08/18/14 - 8:20 PM
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Here's some links to what we built 10 yrs ago. It gets used 3-4 times a year since. It works fantastic in the Pacific for salmon mooching. The tag line is for retrieving it. I paid $25 for the shoot and another $10 in line. I have a small drift sock I use to slow my troll for Sierra lake trout fishing but it would not suffice for mooching. The shoot is 8' across. Easy to deploy and retrieve.
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b32...53eac0.jpg
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| gchuba |
Posted on 08/19/14 - 7:44 AM
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Rock N Roll,
Great pictures, I could not resist the applicable slide show. I noticed that the drift sock with Amish Outfitter had a hole in the center. Do you, or does anyone know, if the hole in the center is strictly for retrieving, or is it an engineering function for use? The tag line in the pictures looks ideal for retrieving without fighting the current.
What is the big difference with bags vs. socks? I see from the product description that the sock is for drifting only (probably for rigging getting entangled) but can you use the bags for the drift? I do have a kicker motor but, I would like to keep the extra rigging on board to a minimum, and a dual purpose function looks appealing.
Garris
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| donp |
Posted on 08/19/14 - 9:36 AM
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gchuba wrote:
Thanks for mentioning wind as the issue vs. currents. Do you think the bags are efficient or are the socks the only way to go? I would prefer not to have a bucket possibly banging the hull or trusting its handle.
Garris
I'm not a fan of the bucket as well, but keep in mind anything you pull could tangle with you lines.
Other things to do is bump your motor in and out of gear. Again, not a fan of this option but it works.
One method I typically do while trolling for rockfish is to angle the bow slightly into the wind. It isn't always possible, but when it is, it works well. By doing so speed can be bleed off or added it by small heading changes. All of which is without adjusting the throttle.
As said before, having someone move form bow to stern will bleed speed off in a Montauk.
If this doesn't help consider a aux motor? Keep you main down to use as a rudder if steering isn't connected. Also consider leaving your main motor in gear. By stopping the prop it adds a little additional drag and it helps to keep your lines from getting wrapped around it if they get close.
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| gchuba |
Posted on 08/19/14 - 10:00 AM
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donp, thanks for the information. I prefer no motor running. Something pleasant about hearing the sounds of water uncluttered. I have no stereo or sound system on board but daydream with the idea of blasting "Ride of the Valkyries" or "Led Zeppelin" if I hook a salmon trolling.
Garris
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| wing15601 |
Posted on 08/19/14 - 10:14 AM
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Trolling bags, drift bags, trolling socks, drift socks, all the same thing. Much smaller than a sea anchor. The way to prevent the drift/trolling sock/bag from tangling lines is to have one on either side of the boat when trolling, about 2/3 of the way back from the bow with the small open end of the bag secured to the boat to prevent the bag from going too far out to the side or under the boat when turning. When drifting you would usually only have one bag out, in the direction from which you are drifting. Shouldn't be too hard to avoid tangles with one bag out. A fish could have a different idea though.
I winter in Ft. Myers and summer in St. Joseph, Michigan. It’s now about 12 years since I’ve joined this group. I gave my 1972 whaler to my daughter and sold the 17’. Bought an O’Day 28 sailboat and sailed on Lake Michigan. Yesterday I bought a 2005 130 Sport. |
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