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16 or 160 Dauntless, Im not exactly sure, versus Montauk 17. classic. (1980's style)
I have a 1966 hull that I think does rather well in chop.
I had a 1996 17 outrage II, i though did well in chop and awful in 2-3 ft seas with a small period. i mean awful, bannged around hard, had to do about 12-14 mph or else it felt like my teeth were giong to break, im young, <30 years old and I thought this. I had trim tabs and a 150hp motor on the boat, and understand trimming the boat.
My brother is looking at 16 dauntless and 17 montauk as his choices.
Which has a better ride in a bad chop, say a real 1-2 foot sea with a short wave period, at say 20-30mph.
The dauntless apperars to have a deeper v, but I don't know.
Thanks.
Edited by Phil T on 07/17/14 - 6:58 AM
Nothing like a Whaler
I suffered through short period 1-2'ers (I call this "real snotty") for 10 years. I learned the hard way you need LOA and weight.
For example:
I did a 30 mile run (Kittery, ME to to Newburyport MA) in short, breaking 1-3', blowing 25+ with a buddy boat.
I was piloting an Outrage 17 I and he was in a 1989 Outrage 20. I tried to keep up (25-35 mph).
I was getting spanked, slammed and soaked while he was riding smooth over the tops running 6' ft off my starboard side. Every once in a while he would speed up and leave me in his wake, then come back.
He laughed at me all the way there...and on the return leg.
If you really want to fly in these conditions, you need to look at a 20' Outrage. If not, get the Montauk.
Last week I was out in Lake Michigan in my 1984 Montauk 17 with winds around 10 mph. Out here it always depends on the direction of the wind. If the wind is from the west (I'm on the east side of the lake) then I'll get beat up if I try to go much over 13mph. I've been in the Pacific in a small boat in 8 foot seas but the crests of the waves were so far apart that it was a decent ride. In a shallow body of water the waves are always closer together, I'm sure explained by hydraulics or some such but if your brother is considering a boat for coastal Georgia then either is a good choice. I wouldn't trade my Montauk for anything. If he closes his eyes and picks one he won't be disappointed.
I winter in Ft. Myers and summer in St. Joseph, Michigan. It’s now about 12 years since I’ve joined this group. I gave my 1972 whaler to my daughter and sold the 17’. Bought an O’Day 28 sailboat and sailed on Lake Michigan. Yesterday I bought a 2005 130 Sport.
it seems that the outrage I, is right in between the outrage II and montauk.
the choices for boats for him are outrage I, montauk, and dauntless all 17 ft, not including the dauntless which has to be 16 ft.
he's towing with an accord 2 door v6 coupe, and has no trouble towing with boats that size, and deosn't want a second vehicle or to buy a truck.
someday he will buy a truck. i also mentioned to him to get the outrage 18 on here with the 2011 etec for 14,900 or whatever it was, new motor, an a pressure tested tank, can't beat that, an alot larger, but he's not read for that yet.
The Dauntless 16 or 160 Dauntless is virtually the same boat. The 160s do not have the hull notch just forward of the outboard leg. That is an improvement!
That boat needs a 115 HP engine. It has an in-the-hull fuel tank of, IIRC, 45 US gallons capacity. The tank is mounted fairly far aft. When full the boat is slightly heavy in the stern. Because of this a four blade propeller is often used with the boat.
It is a fairly heavy boat for it's size and that, as well as the slightly deeper V hull compared to the longer Montauk, makes for a better ride in the Dauntless.
However, a 16 or 17 foot boat is not going to be as comfortable in sloppy conditions as a 20 foot deep V boat. I'm retired so I can choose the days I go fishing so I don't go out in sloppy conditions. Consequently I choose my boats based on other factors that, IMO, are far more important than ride quality.
