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2006 Tacoma V6 4x4 to pull a 1984 22' Outrage - Reasonable?
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| bigmike0601 |
Posted on 09/30/13 - 5:32 PM
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Will my 2006 Tacoma V6 be able to pull a 1984 22' Outrage reasonably safely? Looking to pull it 300 miles on a double axle trailer w/o brakes.
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Mike
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| Marko888 |
Posted on 09/30/13 - 5:40 PM
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Just my opinion, but one should have brakes on that boat/trailer package for safety.
I suspect that an Outrage 22, rigged up and full of fuel, plus trailer, will be close to 4000lbs, which is what the Tacoma weighs. (I have a 2006 tacoma V6 4x4).I tow my 18 (boat and trailer +/- 2900#) without brakes, but my stopping distances are at the limit of what feels safe.
The truck will pull it ok, but it won't be able to stop it fast enough.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 09/30/13 - 5:45 PM
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I agree with Mark.
Anything 20' and over is best to have brakes.
My Outrage 18' trailer doesn't have brakes like Marks, but there are a few times I wish it did even with the F-250 I pull it with.
How much is it to add brakes?
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| patxbill |
Posted on 09/30/13 - 5:48 PM
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In short, no. You will get all kinds of opinions here. But as an owner of a 1984 22 Outrage, I wouldn't chance it. Hauling 5 miles on flat local coastal roads is one thing. 300 miles with no trailer brakes quite another. Pulling would actually be OK. Stopping is the problem. And the 'other guy" motorist with no appreciation for how hard it is to stop.
I tow mine, 5400 lbs loaded down and full of 129 gallons of fuel on certified scales with a 1999 Dodge 2500 Cummins 4x4 pickup. Used to routinely tow on Texas coast 100 miles + each way every trip. You need mass to stop those things. Tacoma would be capable of getting it moving well, stopping is another matter all together.
My advice, if a single trip, find a friend. If routine, invest in disk brakes and a used 3/4 ton of your choice.
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| BillDemers |
Posted on 09/30/13 - 6:03 PM
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I pull my dauntless 18 with a Nissan Xterra and it is about maxed out. Your in the full size realm.
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| Tom W Clark |
Posted on 09/30/13 - 7:09 PM
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Without brakes, no way.
With brakes, no problem.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 09/30/13 - 7:48 PM
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I think there is only one response from everyone so far.
Brakes, Brakes, Brakes.
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| Derwd24 |
Posted on 09/30/13 - 8:56 PM
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We've towed with a 2004 4Runner V6, no issues at all, but the trailer had brakes.
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| lrak |
Posted on 10/01/13 - 12:14 AM
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2008 Tacoma driver here. I agree with everybody else. No problem with properly adjusted trailer brakes. Too risky for me without working brakes.
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| bigmike0601 |
Posted on 10/01/13 - 2:34 AM
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Thanks for all the replies. The trailer it sits on has bad brakes, so i'll have to rebuild them before the trip. Kinda what I was thinking, but you guys iced it for me.
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| lrak |
Posted on 10/01/13 - 5:29 AM
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My personal experience/advice: If you're cheap I'd suggest UFP/Trailer Buddy. If you want top of the line I'd suggest Kodiak. If you like to replace brake parts every couple years or are adventurous and like the risk of loosing wheels at highway speeds and swapping hubs on the side of the highway, I'd suggest Tie Down Engineering.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 10/01/13 - 11:38 AM
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We have an article on Kodiak brake installation.
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...lbum_id=24
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| bigmike0601 |
Posted on 10/05/13 - 8:32 AM
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I picked up a used on CL this morning for $800. It's a 2006 venture VRT-4100. This trailer is like brand new. Drum brakes have almost zero rust! I've never had a trailer with brakes that actually worked and it's unbelievable. I think i'll take care of this one. Now I gotta set it up for the boat, i'll start another thread on that...
http://s1131.photobucket.com/user/big...b.jpg.html
http://s1131.photobucket.com/user/big...4.jpg.html
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| StevieJr |
Posted on 07/22/14 - 8:44 PM
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patxbill wrote:
In short, no. You will get all kinds of opinions here. But as an owner of a 1984 22 Outrage, I wouldn't chance it. Hauling 5 miles on flat local coastal roads is one thing. 300 miles with no trailer brakes quite another. Pulling would actually be OK. Stopping is the problem. And the 'other guy" motorist with no appreciation for how hard it is to stop.
I tow mine, 5400 lbs loaded down and full of 129 gallons of fuel on certified scales with a 1999 Dodge 2500 Cummins 4x4 pickup. Used to routinely tow on Texas coast 100 miles + each way every trip. You need mass to stop those things. Tacoma would be capable of getting it moving well, stopping is another matter all together.
My advice, if a single trip, find a friend. If routine, invest in disk brakes and a used 3/4 ton of your choice.
I agree.......I would really invest in upgrading the trailer with breaks.... i have been in a situation with my 16ft bass boat. someone cut me off and also braked at the same time... i stopped less than a inch from the bumper... if your truck's brakes can not handle the weight i would REALLY invest in trailer breaks... It's super hard to teach the "others" about us boat guys on the road!
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| Phil T |
Posted on 07/22/14 - 9:39 PM
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Note this thread was started a year ago and the OP has since purchased a new trailer with brakes.
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| Dave Wheeler |
Posted on 08/27/14 - 7:58 PM
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It is also worth noting that the laws in Maryland and all the surrounding states require brakes on a trailer of that weight. If you do not have brakes and are involved in an accident you are highly likely to be held responsible for the accident. It would be unwise to tow that rig 300 miles in any direction without brakes.
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