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1986 Outrage 18 Repower
Petrus	#21  Posted on 04/09/13 - 11:10 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 179 Comments: 0 Joined: 10/08/12	Silentpardner, Did you concider the new Suzuki DF140A ? Only 396 pounds and timing chain instead of a timing belt which meens lower maintenance costs. http://www.suzukimarine.com/Product%2...F140A.aspx Joe, you need to update/ add the weight for DF140A No need for a kicker when you have 4-stroke, or? I've heard only good things about Suzuki. Edited by Petrus on 04/09/13 - 11:11 PM 1997 Montauk 17, Suzuki DF90A
Silentpardner	#22  Posted on 04/10/13 - 7:48 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 593 Comments: 1 Joined: 06/12/11	Actually, the boat guy I use recommended that option immediately when we first discussed the repower. He uses Suzuki engines on at least half of the boats he builds. The 140 that you mention is the highest HP for the weight that I have found and I have and am considering this option, currently researching kickers that match. It is important to me to match a 9.9 to whatever brand I go with as closely as possible, and this has pretty much eliminated the E-Tec from my options already. Incidentally, the guide I talked about in an earlier post in this thread at Palacios TX uses nothing but Suzuki engines on his high speed flats boats, and thinks they are the best engines being built today. He uses boats that have tunnel designs with jack-plated 250-350 hp engines on them and runs extremely hi-speeds in water less than 1' deep. Apparently, these Suzukis are the go-to motors for most of the hard run professional boats along the coast currently, (I see a LOT of them in the bays where I fish), and the 140 is definitely on my research list. Incidentally, it is my understanding that Johnson and Suzuki have either merged or partnered on these motors, and most of the guys I know refer to these motors as "Johnzukis" in my area
Marko888	#23  Posted on 04/10/13 - 8:38 AM
Member Project Albums Posts: 413 Comments: 10 Joined: 05/26/08	I'm a fan of that 140 as well. It's main shortcoming compared to the 150's is that it has much less torque, due to being a 2.0 litre compared to 2.6-2.9 for the various 150's. This translates to higher RPM for a given speed when compared to a 150, but owners still praise the DF140 as being very economical to operate. I suspect it would perform similarly to your old engine, while being much quieter and easier on fuel. Note some markets have an updated DF140a this year, which is 15# lighter than the previous generation (407# for the 25" shaft version). I've yet to find proof of the DF140a being available in North America. EDIT: DF140A now listed in US website: http://www.suzukimarine.com/Product%2...F140A.aspx full details on the updates here: http://www.suzuki.is/2013/OBM/Product...44-041.pdf The Johnsuki story is an old one, no longer relevant. Johnson re-branded Suzukis while they perfected their e-tecs for market. I believe this was for just a few years, and ended around 2005. Edited by Marko888 on 04/10/13 - 11:21 AM
Joe Kriz	#24  Posted on 04/10/13 - 11:41 AM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11429 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Petrus, The Suzuki 140A weighs 407 pounds for the 25" shaft model which is what the Outrage 18' uses. Personally, I would not use my brand new expensive, large hp engine, to troll all day long. Why put all those hours on a large motor just for trolling? That is another nice thing about having a trolling motor. The second is having an emergency backup to get home with or at least maybe out of harms way.
Petrus	#25  Posted on 04/10/13 - 1:39 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 179 Comments: 0 Joined: 10/08/12	Joe, You have to admit 407 pounds is pretty good as well ; ). If you are trolling for a whole day , I agree, a kicker would be better. Edited by Petrus on 04/10/13 - 1:40 PM 1997 Montauk 17, Suzuki DF90A
Joe Kriz	#26  Posted on 04/10/13 - 1:47 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11429 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Yeah, I just went through all the websites and specs on 1-13-13 and the 140A was not listed at that time. I just updated our page again showing the new weight of 407 pounds. Yes, that is a good weight. Now along with the DF9.9A kicker at 93 pounds, not a bad combo. Suzuki DF140A @ 407 pounds DF9.9A @ 93 pounds Total = 500 pounds Yamaha 115 @ 408 pounds F9.9 @ 89 Total = 493 pounds Evinrude 115 @ 390 pounds 9.8 @ 82 pounds Total = 472 pounds I will let someone else figure out the Mercury brand and a kicker. Honda would be too heavy with a kicker in my opinion. Edited by Joe Kriz on 04/10/13 - 2:05 PM
Finnegan	#27  Posted on 04/10/13 - 2:02 PM
Member Posts: 1925 Comments: 16 Joined: 05/02/08	Suzuki of America (or whatever they call it) recently declared bankruptcy and is stiffing their American creditors for about $500,000,000 in uncollectible debt. Has the Bankruptcy Court now approved them to sell outboards under a different shell corporation, still making profits while others take a bath at their hands? I would not buy an engine from people that operate like this. We all pay for the losses to our economy inflicted by this type of behavior. One can be either part of the problem or part of the solution.
tedious	#28  Posted on 04/10/13 - 2:05 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 1072 Comments: 2 Joined: 09/07/08	Hi SP- I'm not going to get into the motor wars (other than to take issue with the Optimax being called "new" but I can tell you that the Yamaha was VERY easy to integrate with my Lowrance GPS head. I don't have Garmin experience, but a quick search on Garmin Yamaha engine interface cable turned up lots of stuff. If your existing setup is NMEA-based, I think it will just be a matter of getting the right pigtail to connect to the motor. For my setup, I didn't even need to go NMEA, just used Yamaha command link parts and connected from the Command Link bus straight to the GPS. I really like having the full suite of data, including water pressure, temperature, and mileage. Tim
Joe Kriz	#29  Posted on 04/10/13 - 2:09 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11429 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Tim, All I see is a Johnson in your personal page. Did you put a new Yamaha on your 15' ?
tedious	#30  Posted on 04/10/13 - 2:51 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 1072 Comments: 2 Joined: 09/07/08	Joe Kriz wrote: Tim, All I see is a Johnson in your personal page. Did you put a new Yamaha on your 15' ? I did Joe - put an F70LA on, I think it was in the fall of 2010. It's actually on there in some of the photos, but all you can see is the controls. As I recall, I put some links to progress photos in some postings at the time. Tim
Marko888	#31  Posted on 04/10/13 - 4:54 PM
Member Project Albums Posts: 413 Comments: 10 Joined: 05/26/08	Oh Finnegan... A Suzucury is just decals away, being the paint is already jet black. What is the best Mercury main plus kicker engine combination for the Outrage 18?
Joe Kriz	#32  Posted on 04/10/13 - 4:56 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11429 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Mark, Also see this other thread I started for Outrage 18' with a kicker. http://www.whalercentral.com/forum/vi...pid=107679
rwethereyet	#33  Posted on 04/10/13 - 6:46 PM
Member Posts: 51 Comments: 0 Joined: 12/12/10	I purchased a 2012 suzuki df 140 just before they officially declared bankruptcy.....Fortunately, the outboard division is going strong. Suzuki did send a letter with their intentions and future goals. They also sent money honoring a rebate promotion going on at the same time. In my area, on the west coast of Florida, suzuki motors are seen everywhere ( new boats and on older boats as a re-power). It's not uncommon to see commercial boats with suzuki motors with thousands of hours. The technology is proven and the price is inviting. The suzuki 140 was the right choice for me....I would do it all over again. Engine weight has not been an issue at all....I was overly concerned with that during the decision making process. All the brands are good, its personal preference.....the suzuki 140 is another good option..... rwethereyet 1992 Outrage 19' I, 2012 Suzuki DF 140
Joe Kriz	#34  Posted on 04/10/13 - 6:52 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11429 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	rwethereyet, So can we assume you do not have the newer DF140A model that weighs less the the DF140? I think the DF140 weighed in at around 421 or 427 pounds Edited by Joe Kriz on 04/10/13 - 6:55 PM
rwethereyet	#35  Posted on 04/10/13 - 6:56 PM
Member Posts: 51 Comments: 0 Joined: 12/12/10	that is correct.... I have the DF 140, not the DF 140A rwethereyet 1992 Outrage 19' I, 2012 Suzuki DF 140
Marko888	#36  Posted on 04/10/13 - 9:22 PM
Member Project Albums Posts: 413 Comments: 10 Joined: 05/26/08	Rwethereyet, What else can you add to your repower experience? Does it feel like the 140 has to be revved alot at cruise speeds? Do you troll with it? We're there any disappointments at all with the change? Thank you,
ericflys	#37  Posted on 04/11/13 - 11:46 AM
Member Posts: 5 Comments: 0 Joined: 05/11/11	I'm running a one of the new Mercury 150 Fourstrokes on my 18 Outrage, along with a kicker and with a separate portable tank that I keep in the splash well. I haven't noticed any problems with the weight. So far the motor has proven reliable and durable(I've now hit both logs and rocks with it) and it is exceptionally fuel efficient while being very strong in the power department. Good luck with your repower, I should think you will be happy with any modern motor and I think having great local dealer support should be one of the most important factors when selecting a motor.
Joe Kriz	#38  Posted on 04/11/13 - 11:59 AM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11429 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	ericflys, Which kicker are you using? See this thread and maybe you can give us more info. http://www.whalercentral.com/forum/vi...pid=107679 Mercury FourStroke 150 = 465 to 470 pounds Mercury kicker ?
ericflys	#39  Posted on 04/11/13 - 1:34 PM
Member Posts: 5 Comments: 0 Joined: 05/11/11	I have an older 15hp Mercury kicker that weighs about 75lbs, not including the six gallon portable tank that I use for it. A lighter weight solution would be to run 9.9 Fourstroke that could run off the main tank, as my Racor filter has two outlets and one could be run to the kicker. The downside would be that if your problem is fuel related, both motors would be down.
rwethereyet	#40  Posted on 04/11/13 - 1:41 PM
Member Posts: 51 Comments: 0 Joined: 12/12/10	My boat is the same hull as the outrage 18. I fish 90% of time on the west coast of florida. The original engine was 1992 evinrude 150. Initially, I was ultra concerned with engine weight--I also run with a 100+ lb livewell in the stern. The suzuki 140 was thousands less than any of the 150's (including the suzuki 150), less weight, offering an additional 3 years of service, and an additonal $ 500 rebate--It all made sense to me. The motor is smooth, quiet, and extremely fuel efficient. It is not a 6 cylinder 150--the motor does feel less torquey in the midrange. Cruising speed does require higher RPM's. Its not problematic in any way. Top speed WOT with a full livewell and 2 adults is 41-42 mph. I love the reliability and performance is not an issue at the low, middle, or high range....I would make the same decision if I had to do it all over again. I think the suzuki 140 is a great option for thousands less than any 150. For anyone considering a 150, engine weight is really not an issue. All the brands are good...it's personal preference......(just make sure your area is represented well---for service related issues) Edited by rwethereyet on 04/11/13 - 1:54 PM rwethereyet 1992 Outrage 19' I, 2012 Suzuki DF 140